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lynne j
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« on: Monday 05 October 09 14:13 UTC (UK) »

 Huh Hi ,wondering if anyone can help solve a puzzle my gggrandad thomas bates born 1830 sunderland durham a printer and photographer  and his wife hannah bates nee denning born northallerton lived in bishop auckland durham from 1840  to1900
yet born in 1860 they have a child called emily gomer bates according to census born gosport isle of white hampshire her birth and baptism is reg in durham bishop auckland
Is there such a place called gomer  in hampshire and could that be  the reason for her middle name gomer
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Re: puzzled by birth in gosport hampshire
« Reply #1 on: Monday 05 October 09 14:29 UTC (UK) »

might be a maiden name from an earlier generation ....

In FreeBMD, The Auckland District entry has an Emily with no 2nd forename - did you get the Cert to discover the name of 'Gomer' ?
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Re: puzzled by birth in gosport hampshire
« Reply #2 on: Monday 05 October 09 14:47 UTC (UK) »

Hi ,I have just ordered the birth certificate in durham hopeing it gives an address for place of birth in hampshire ,on the IGI she is baptised as emily gomer bates 1860 at st andrews bishop auckland but when I phoned to order birth certificate she is just emily bates ,I have researched this family dennings and bates and have found no surnames with gomer which made me curious and why were they in hampshire at that time ,all the rest of there children were born bishop auckland durham
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todd byers green durham
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Re: puzzled by birth in gosport hampshire
« Reply #3 on: Monday 05 October 09 14:51 UTC (UK) »

If it wasnt for the fact that the 1871 and 1881 census also show Hants (IOW in 1881) as her PoB, I'd have said it was really Gosforth ....

Why would Thomas Bates, a Printer, go to Hampshire for a short period - or rather his wife - and have a child there, but registered and baptised in Auckland ?
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Re: puzzled by birth in gosport hampshire
« Reply #4 on: Monday 05 October 09 14:55 UTC (UK) »

Do you know Thomas Bates' mother's Maiden name ?

I see that young Emily was with her Aunt Isabella in 1881 - Isabella and Thomas are still at home in 1851, but Dad John is a Widower.

1851 - HO107/2385; Folio: 311; Page: 31 - Bishop Auckland


Their 84 year old Grandmother Margaret Bates is there too ...
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Re: puzzled by birth in gosport hampshire
« Reply #5 on: Monday 05 October 09 15:06 UTC (UK) »

Hi ,thomas bates born 1830 sunderland his father was john bates and mam jane thompson jane died in 1836 same date as her last child was born in bishop auckland st andrews
thomas bates dad was
john bates was born 1797 byers green and his father isaac bates and mam margaret todd born 1769 byers green ,isaac died before 1841 census he was a private in  the north york militia
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todd byers green durham
toppings  wigton
curry esh and durham
waugh lanchester
mcleod durham and scotland
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Re: puzzled by birth in gosport hampshire
« Reply #6 on: Monday 05 October 09 15:08 UTC (UK) »

hmmmm, the thot plickens then !   Tongue

so curious for this Emily to be born in Hants ! (btw, Gosport isnt IOW)
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Re: puzzled by birth in gosport hampshire
« Reply #7 on: Monday 05 October 09 15:12 UTC (UK) »

btw, there does seem to be a part of Gosport known as Gomer - according to Google !

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Alverstoke, a village, a parish, and a liberty in Hants. The village stands adjacent to Stoke Bay station on the L. & S.W.R., opposite Spithead, 1 3/4 mile SSW of Gosport. It is a pleasant place, with charming environs. The parish includes also the town of Gosport, the villages of Forton, Hardway, and Elson, the watering-place of Anglesey, the villas of Alverbank, the Royal Marine Barracks, the Haslar Barracks, the Royal Naval Hospital, Blockhouse Fort, and Forts Rowner, Gomer, Brockhurst, Monckton, and Grange. Acreage, 3783, of which 1223 are water and foreshore; population of the civil parish, 25,452 ; of the ecclesiastical, with Anglesey and Newtown, 10,734. It has a post, money order, and telegraph office. The manor was given by the noble Saxon lady Alwara to the church of Winchester, and it still belongs to the Bishop of Winchester as superior. Many excellent mansions, villas, and other residences, with gardens and terraces, adorn the surface and the shores, and a rich extensive prospect is enjoyed of the Solent and the Isle of Wight Stoke Bay is now a noted roadstead, where all the steam war-ships when newly fitted with their engines test their speed at the measured mile.
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Re: puzzled by birth in gosport hampshire
« Reply #8 on: Monday 05 October 09 15:21 UTC (UK) »

Hi ,I will have a go at googling it ,I am really curious because they never moved from bishop auckland
emily married in 1883 as emily g bates to james ramsden
and the 1891 census has her place of birth gosport wiltshire
1901 census place of birth gosport hampshire
still living in bishop auckland
lynnej
smashing so there is a place called gomer maybe thats where she was born ,the young lad at the record office said the certificate may give an address ,who knows  have to wait for a few days for the certificate to come
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taylors orsett essex and durham
rundles pelynt cornwall and durham
bates bishop auckland and elvet durham
bolam chester le street
dennings durham and yorkshire
dale helmsley yorkshire and durham
todd byers green durham
toppings  wigton
curry esh and durham
waugh lanchester
mcleod durham and scotland
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Re: puzzled by birth in gosport hampshire
« Reply #9 on: Monday 05 October 09 21:33 UTC (UK) »

Fort Gomer was a Palmerston Fort in Alverstoke between Browndown Point and Fort Grange.  It is sadly long gone now. 

A child's birth was supposed to be registered in the place where it occurred.  So I find it odd that she could be registered in Bishop Auckland, according to the GRO, but say she was born in Gosport in Hampshire for the census.

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« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 06 October 09 11:36 UTC (UK) »

 ???Hi ,
It has got me baffled ,when I ordered the birth certificate reg j/f/m 1860 auckland the lad at the reg office said she was reg as emily bates without the gomer he could not give me any other info so I will have to wait for certificate ,but her baptism in august 1860 at st andrews bishop auckland is def emily gomer bates  , like you say she should have been reg where born,
why say gosport hampshire on census mystery to me
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taylors orsett essex and durham
rundles pelynt cornwall and durham
bates bishop auckland and elvet durham
bolam chester le street
dennings durham and yorkshire
dale helmsley yorkshire and durham
todd byers green durham
toppings  wigton
curry esh and durham
waugh lanchester
mcleod durham and scotland
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