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Titanium
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I am looking for William Johnson and his family.
All i know he was a farmer in the lancashire area, he had a son Robert, who is believed to have marrried twice, Firstly too Elizabeth Piggot, who gave him 4 children, john, sarah, mary and Charles. Robert was born 1808 in what looks like kexby. His second wife was Mary Sideboatham, (webster) both were widows and got married 14 may 1849 in southport. she had 5 children Robert, Ernest, Lawrence and jessie and a george who she had already.
Robert had a printers in Lord Street southport. His daughter Mary had an illigitmate child called arthur. On Arthur's marriage cert it states his father as Arthur deceased. I beleive that it was maybe a cousin or half brother of mary that is his dad, which is why i am trying to find brothers for robert.
Can you help at all.
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rosie99
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Hi
Why do you think it was a relation who got Mary pregnant?
Rosie
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mills
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thank you guys
i believe that cause the mother is Mary Alice Johnson and on her Son's married cert it says Arthur Johnson Deceased.
There is no father on the birth cert. We know that he was illigitmate.
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rosie99
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Names of fathers are often fictitious when children are illegitimate to save face on marriages and very often supposedly deceased.
There may be a bastardy order or similar in respect of Arthur - when/where was he born?
Rosie
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mills
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Hi Rosie,
His birth Cert says chester - garden lane (we think this is the right cert)
but the 1911 census states southport.
Have not heard of that order, sorry pretty new to all this, where would i get that from ?
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rosie99
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Posts: 1927
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Hi
Bastardy orders are like the current day maintenance orders naming fathers and agreeing a maintenance payment if they could afford it. They are if obtainable from the local records office - in your case could be Cheshire or Lancashire. A2A website is searchable for this sort of information http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a/ They were not always drawn up though 
When was Arthur born and where did he live on census after his birth - he could have been born in Cheshire but because he had lived in Southport believed it to be his place of birth.
Rosie
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mills
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Hi thank you
he was born in 1869 either chester or soutport.
1871 was living with believed to be foster parents in southport area.
At some stage he has come to kent ( i may have him in a home in gravesend)
it looks like his mother followed him down and eventually married and owned a tobacconists in Dover, possibly paid for by the real father to help support him.
He worked on the dover, chatham, rochester railway, and got married in rochester area and stayed there and raised a family till his death in 1925 of blood poisioning.
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rosie99
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Posts: 1927
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Hi
Arthur is definately elusive in census.
How do you relate him to Robert son of William ?
I am looking for William Johnson and his family.
All i know he was a farmer in the lancashire area, he had a son Robert, who is believed to have marrried twice, Firstly too Elizabeth Piggot, who gave him 4 children, john, sarah, mary and Charles. Robert was born 1808 in what looks like kexby. His second wife was Mary Sideboatham, (webster) both were widows and got married 14 may 1849 in southport. she had 5 children Robert, Ernest, Lawrence and jessie and a george who she had already.
Robert had a printers in Lord Street southport. His daughter Mary had an illigitmate child called arthur. On Arthur's marriage cert it states his father as Arthur deceased. I beleive that it was maybe a cousin or half brother of mary that is his dad, which is why i am trying to find brothers for robert.
I can see this Robert with his printers business in Southport in 1871 Derby Road, North Meols, Southport married to Mary Sidebottom (As per Billy's post)
In 1861 RG09 /2762 F61 P10 with same wife Mary Sidebottom also his stepmother Mary bn 1799 Blackburn. Roberts place of birth, Kirby, Yorkshire.
In 1851 he is in the same area with same wife Also his children by his previous marriage
John age 19 bn Lancaster
Sarah age 9 bn Southport
Mary age 9 bn Southport
Charles age 7 bn Southport
Just off to look for him in 1841, - who was the mother of John bn Lancaster c1832
Rosie
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mills
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Hi Rosie,
Robert had a daughter Mary Alice, she Had arthur out of wedlock.
so Arthur would be the grandson of robert.
I have robert with his first wife elizabeth Pigott.
Mary has a sister Sarah who married Charles Elliott who is living with robert.
if it was a family member that got mary pregenant i thought that maybe robert had brothers that had sons! dont know its a real tough one this. Been stuck on this for months.
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mills
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I have a Arthur Johnson in a boys home in Gravesend but as i did not have a defiante birth date they were unable to tell me if that was him!
Once he is married i have him, but his life prior to that is a real myrestry
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rosie99
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Ok so they are at the same place in 1841 with probably Elizabeths mother Mary Piggot living with them But no son John who would have been about 9 bn Lancaster so it looks as though it could be Roberts second marriage to Elizabeth Piggot.
I just wondered how you had tied Arthur bn 1869 with this family.
Rosie
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mills
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he is the illigimate son of Mary Alice! just need to trace a father for him 
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Titanium
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Hi Heywood
thank you for replying, yes Mary Alice vincent ran a tobacconists in dover, She Married Alfred Peter Vincent, he died fairly young of heart problems, she lived on to about 89.
i did look at Arthur Hamiltons in the southport area, i did find a couple as seamen whcih could be a reason they did not marry Mary. My other thought was that it was family member.
As for Arthur being born Plumstead i am not sure!
After he is married i have him, Arthur also worked on the railway at LDCR based at rochester!
Mary's father is definately Robert and Elizabeth who later married Mary Sideboatham
i Have roberts father as being William, but not traced a mother yet! xxxxx
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