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Maxie1
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Hey, has anyone got any thoughts on this one ?
I have found my Great Grandad on the 1881 census at the age of 5 but his parents are nowhere to be found. He is listed with another family, with whom he stays with for the rest of his life. This young couple only recently married and with their own first child under 1yr somehow decide to take on this young lad. However, he is not supposed to be related to the family as he is described a 'Boarder'.
Do I presume his mum and dad have both died ? or have they abandoned him ?. I know his father's name but have no clues as to his mother.
On two of the censuses he is said to have been born in Cartmel, another says Magull and the one he signs in 1911, says Melling !
I can't help but wonder why this couple in their 30's would take on this young boy when he doesn't appear to be related to them !
The other thing, there is also another boarder, male aged 23, who is described as a 'Sadler, employing 1 boy'. Different surnames ! Has my 5 yr old been picked up by him I wonder ?
Any thoughts  ??
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Arranroots
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Hi Maxie
It's possible that the local Board of Guardians has asked this family to raise the boy, in exchange for payment, rather than have him in the workhouse.
I have researched a family that did this for 3 siblings - their mother was unable to care for them for some reason and the father(s?) weren't around!
You could try the Guardian's Minute Books for the local workhouse to see if there are any records.
Welcome to Rootschat, by the way! 
Kind regards, Arranroots 
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Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SOM: BIRD, BURT aka BROWN HEF: BAUGH, LATHAM, CARTER, PRITCHARD GLS: WEBB, WORKMAN, LATHAM, MALPUS WIL: WEBB, SALTER RAD: PRITCHARD, WILLIAMS GLA: RYAN, KEARNEY, JONES, HARRY MON: WEBB, MORGAN, WILLIAMS, JONES, BIRD SCOTLAND: HASTINGS, CAMERON, KELSO, BUCHANAN, BETHUNE/ BEATON IRELAND: RYAN (WATERFORD), KEARNEY (DUBLIN), BOYLE(DUNDALK) |
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Gillg
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Hi Maxie
And a warm welcome to RootsChat from me, too!
There is also a Melling near Carnforth, north Lancs, closer to Cartmel than Magull, but not all that close. Where did you find your Great Grandad living in 1881? It's possible that the couple with whom he was living knew better than he did where his birthplace was.
Gillg
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukFAIREY/FAIRY/FAREY/FEARY, CHURCH, BENSON from Easton, Ellington, Eynesbury, Gt Catworth, Huntingdon, Spaldwick, Hunts; Burnley, Lancs; New Zealand, Australia & US. HURST, BOLTON, BUTTERWORTH, ADAMSON, WILD from Milnrow, Newhey, Oldham & Rochdale, Lancs. |
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lesleyhannah
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It's well worth researching the family who are caring for the child. When my grandfather and his baby brother Frank were orphaned Frank was adopted by the woman who was informant at the death of the boys' mother. My granddad was adopted by his grandparents. I did wonder why this couple, seemingly unrelated, had taken on someone else's baby, when they had a houseful of their own, but when I researched the wife's history I found they were actually related by marriage to Frank's mother. As they all lived in Leicester, and were about the same age, they presumably knew each other well. It took a while for me to work it out, but I felt great when I actually made the link!
Lesley
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avm228
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It's well worth researching the family who are caring for the child. When my grandfather and his baby brother Frank were orphaned Frank was adopted by the woman who was informant at the death of the boys' mother. My granddad was adopted by his grandparents. I did wonder why this couple, seemingly unrelated, had taken on someone else's baby, when they had a houseful of their own, but when I researched the wife's history I found they were actually related by marriage to Frank's mother. As they all lived in Leicester, and were about the same age, they presumably knew each other well. It took a while for me to work it out, but I felt great when I actually made the link!
I agree - when my ggg-grandmother was widowed in Leeds in 1889, her 5-yr-old daughter, Eliza, was taken in by a seemingly unrelated couple in Doncaster with whom she lived thereafter.
Many hours of research later I ascertained that the "adoptive" father was in fact Eliza's deceased father's maternal aunt's nephew-by-marriage. That took quite some working out
Anna
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trish1120
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Hi Maxie,
If you give details of his name etc we can have a look for you.
What was his Fathers name?
Have you found possible Birth Regos for him?
Does he have parents names on his Marriage cert?
Have you found the Marriage of the couple looking after him? They may be related.
Trish
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Annie65115
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My great-grandmother lived not far from Maghull and after being widowed, brought up children who don't appear to have been related. The 1911 census shows her with two 2-year-old "boarders" in the house, and my father remembered another "adopted brother" who grew up with him.
My father said that the family was paid for looking after these children, so I guess it could be a useful source of money for a widow or a young couple with a bit of spare space in the house.
I just wonder if there was a particular "drive" to "foster" orphaned or abandoned children by the Liverpool trustees, rather than have them in a workhouse, as the OP's story takes place in a very similar area to my family's.
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mazi
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its a puzzle isn't it. I cant find a likely birth in lancashire,using his age as a guide, you would think you could age a five year old to within a year each way maybe. I cant find too many deaths for a john carr either not local to maghull but a john carr of a likely age to be father died in ulverston (cartmel is a sub district) between 1876 and 1881. maybe his guardians gave him a new first name. Best of luck
mazi
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mazi
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Hi its Mazi's OH again
this may ramble on a bit so forgive me, another thought, why should Mr Manchester say he came from Cartmel if he didnt, if he had picked a name out of a hat would he have found one where not only a Carr family were living, but two male Carrs had died at the right time to make young Walter? an orphan.
Carr and Halsall are good west lancs names, there was always one of each in every class in my school,there is a "carr moss lane" in west lancs and a halsall village, halsall were a landed family,half of west lancs was probably related to one or the other.
Actual place of birth on a census is I think often misleading, people honestly didn,t know, also it was common for mum to go home to her mother to give birth to her firstborn, which could have been anywhere.
I personally would look at this Carr family in Ulverston registration district,
was there only one family there in 1861 or 1871,if only one they probably moved in from outside,other wise ther would be siblings cousins etc around.
The problem is there is no likely birth so its really down to trawling censuses and free bmd and hope to spot a connection of any sort, I personally think his family came from west lancs one or two generations ago and thats why he ended up there.
regards Mazi's OH
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mazi
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Its mazi' OH again
mazi has just got back from the doctors and is muttering about computers
and dont I want to know what the doc said 
Big pause
just noticed he was Walter J Carr,Mr Manchester has given him his full title
could he have been walter john, that connects to cartmel (but no doubt lots of others),could the relationship be to the farmer who employs Mr Manchester but has a housefull of his own so he is living in one of his tied cottages. try looking at next and previous households. It interests me that they Know he has a second name.
Come on Experts-which I am not-lets have some help here.
regards Mazi's other half,she insists
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toni*
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Hi Maxie, If you give details of his name etc we can have a look for you. What was his Fathers name? Have you found possible Birth Regos for him? Does he have parents names on his Marriage cert? Have you found the Marriage of the couple looking after him? They may be related. Trish
I was reading through and had the same questions as Trish,
you know his fathers name - is that from your gt grandads marriage cert?
what was his occupation and was he shown as deceased ? (although this doesnt mean that he wasn't)
if he was aged 5 in 1881 this suggests he was born circa 1876 - do all the other census ages tally?
have you found a birth for someone with your gt grandads name circa 1876 in the right reg district for Cartmel, Mullag or Melling?
you could purchase the birth cert. on the basis of the fathers name is .... so not to buy uneccassry certificates.
If the child has been taken in by the other family becuase his paretns had died, then it might be worth looking at the death index for 1876-1881 for the reg. district of a) where he is living and b) where he was born to see if there are any possible detahs that macth i.e. the fatehrs name would be a good place to start.
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