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Topic: Where is Cwm? (Read 2104 times)
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GHAnderson
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In the marriage register for 1850 for Panteg/Panteague (near Pontypool), there is a record for the marriage banns of Phillip GILBERT, miner, of Cwm, son of John GILBERT, miner, and Elizabeth DAVIES, otp, daughter of Thomas DAVIES, founder.
It seems Cwm is an abbreviation, but which is the most likely town?
Thanks for any help - I'm half a world away from Wales, and am clueless on the local geography.
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rhys
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Hello
Per the 1841 census of Panteg ,a considerable part of the parish was denoted as Cwm.
Rhys
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Butterfly
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Cwm means valley, and although I agree that the Cwm in question is probably the village that lies a few miles from Ebbw Vale it must be noted that there are many areas of Wales that have villages and hamlets called Cwm - also used as an abbreviation for other areas, Cwmbach, for instance.
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Surnames: Stafford, Essex, Bird, North: Coventry, Warwickshire.
Hyatt: Coventry, Leicester.
Surnames: Bunstone, Jeanes: South Petherton, Somerset.
Surnames: Moynihan, O'Leary, Murphy, MacGillycuddy: Kerry, Ireland
Surnames: Brace, Powell: Monmouthshire, Glamorganshire and Pembrokeshire.
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Butterfly
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Also you may want to try this:
http:www.worldwidewales.tv/index2.php . It used to be a free site but now I think you have to subscribe. I don't think there is anything specifically about Cwm but Ebbw Vale and areas are covered along with other areas in Wales.
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Surnames: Stafford, Essex, Bird, North: Coventry, Warwickshire.
Hyatt: Coventry, Leicester.
Surnames: Bunstone, Jeanes: South Petherton, Somerset.
Surnames: Moynihan, O'Leary, Murphy, MacGillycuddy: Kerry, Ireland
Surnames: Brace, Powell: Monmouthshire, Glamorganshire and Pembrokeshire.
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Butterfly
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I checked it out and although you do have to subscribe eventually there is a free sample and Ebbw Vale is included in that with a snippet on Cwm. Just thought you'd like to know, I hope you'll find it useful.
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Surnames: Stafford, Essex, Bird, North: Coventry, Warwickshire.
Hyatt: Coventry, Leicester.
Surnames: Bunstone, Jeanes: South Petherton, Somerset.
Surnames: Moynihan, O'Leary, Murphy, MacGillycuddy: Kerry, Ireland
Surnames: Brace, Powell: Monmouthshire, Glamorganshire and Pembrokeshire.
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GHAnderson
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Thank you all for your help! I checked out the very informative video, and also learned that I was way off in how to pronounce "Cwm".
I'm still unsure which Cwm my Phillip GILBERT is from - the marriage in 1850, registered in Panteg, says Cwm (which is a transcription, I don't know what the original record looks like, so can't tell if it is an abbreviation or not). However, in the 1861 census, he gives his birth place as Panteg, so possibly while born in Panteg, he was working at the colliery in Cwm in 1850.
Thanks again!
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Butterfly
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Maybe, but Cwm - the Marine Colliery that is, would be quite a way from Panteg, especially as the colliers went on foot to work. He'd have been worn out, better think that Cwm is a part of Panteg when conducting your research!!  He'd have been completely shattered by the time he got to work!
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« Last Edit: Thursday 10 March 05 10:23 GMT (UK) by Butterfly »
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Surnames: Stafford, Essex, Bird, North: Coventry, Warwickshire.
Hyatt: Coventry, Leicester.
Surnames: Bunstone, Jeanes: South Petherton, Somerset.
Surnames: Moynihan, O'Leary, Murphy, MacGillycuddy: Kerry, Ireland
Surnames: Brace, Powell: Monmouthshire, Glamorganshire and Pembrokeshire.
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barryhutchings
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Hi all
I originally come from down that way. Used on its own it probably is Cwm, Ebbw Vale but there are other possibilities eg Cwmtillery
Regards
Barry
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barryhutchings
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Miners didnt always walk to work there were trains from the 1860s - special miners trains with wooden slat seats which were never cleaned but the miners could safely leave their tobacco on the racks by their seat for the return journey such was their trust in each other
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Butterfly
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Yep, I understand that, however, Pontypool was not a mining town and Panteg was so were other areas leading up to Blaenavon. As for "trust in each other" I would never idealize the past in this way if I were you.  This can be a little of a myth to say the least. It's late now, and I'll get back to you soon, tomorrow evening probably. but a journey from that area to Cwm would have taken a little while, maybe half hour or even more, which to us may be not a long time but considering changes of trains etc... I also think that the post saying that a part of Panteg was noted as Cwm should be recognised as very sound, also, money would be tight and this an expensive way of travelling. Most people lived around where they worked, hence Marine Street etc. built for the colliers, and the same elsewhere.
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« Last Edit: Wednesday 16 March 05 10:41 GMT (UK) by Butterfly »
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Surnames: Stafford, Essex, Bird, North: Coventry, Warwickshire.
Hyatt: Coventry, Leicester.
Surnames: Bunstone, Jeanes: South Petherton, Somerset.
Surnames: Moynihan, O'Leary, Murphy, MacGillycuddy: Kerry, Ireland
Surnames: Brace, Powell: Monmouthshire, Glamorganshire and Pembrokeshire.
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clivey
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If Cwm is to do with Panteg Pontypool then it is short for
Cwmynyscoy Panteg parish Pontypool.
it was commonly shortened to Cwm on the census
Plenty of mines in the area as well
clivey
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XPhile2868
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maybe you can find any possible Cwms on www.multimap.com
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Smith (Lancashire), McKenna (Ireland/Liverpool/Leyland), Maynard (Hertfordshire/London/Preston), Ricketts (Gloucestershire/Wigan/Preston), Scowcroft (Preston), Harling (N. Yorkshire/Lancashire), Willis (Preston), Clegg (Manchester/Preston), Dodd (Wigan/Cheshire), Alston (Lancashire), Hulks (Hertfordshire), Nicholson (Lancashire), Russell (Lancashire), Wilson (Kendal) Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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MGD
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In the marriage register for 1850 for Panteg/Panteague (near Pontypool), there is a record for the marriage banns of Phillip GILBERT, miner, of Cwm, son of John GILBERT, miner, and Elizabeth DAVIES, otp, daughter of Thomas DAVIES, founder.
It seems Cwm is an abbreviation, but which is the most likely town?
Thanks for any help - I'm half a world away from Wales, and am clueless on the local geography.
loosly Cwm Means Valley basin. in the area of Pontypool Panteg it is short for Cwmynysacoy located to the sth west of Pontypool.
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MGD
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In the marriage register for 1850 for Panteg/Panteague (near Pontypool), there is a record for the marriage banns of Phillip GILBERT, miner, of Cwm, son of John GILBERT, miner, and Elizabeth DAVIES, otp, daughter of Thomas DAVIES, founder.
It seems Cwm is an abbreviation, but which is the most likely town?
Thanks for any help - I'm half a world away from Wales, and am clueless on the local geography.
loosly Cwm Means Valley basin. in the area of Pontypool Panteg it is short for Cwmynysacoy located to the sth west of Pontypool. In the marriage register for 1850 for Panteg/Panteague (near Pontypool), there is a record for the marriage banns of Phillip GILBERT, miner, of Cwm, son of John GILBERT, miner, and Elizabeth DAVIES, otp, daughter of Thomas DAVIES, founder.
It seems Cwm is an abbreviation, but which is the most likely town?
Thanks for any help - I'm half a world away from Wales, and am clueless on the local geography.
loosly Cwm Means Valley basin. in the area of Pontypool the name Cwm it is short for Cwmynysacoy located to the sth east of Pontypool. The Parish Church for Panteg was St Mary's Panteg. This had boundries with the Parish Church of St Cadoc's at Trevethin, and further boundries with St Michaels LLanvihangel Church. trust this will help MGD |
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