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missk042000
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John Burns
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Hi,
I was hoping someone would be able to help. I just started doing my family tree and really wanted to do my nana's side of the family for her as it puts a big smile on her face when I have found something but am really struggling to find more info on her dad John Burns and his parents the only thing I have found was his death certificate and his marriage and anything else seems to be untraceable. Any help would be most appreciated.
Karen
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MonicaLesl
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Hi Karen
Welcome to RootsChat 
Can be hard sometimes can't it making the connections to help you work back. Can you post was information you have found on him.
Have you found him on any census for example to help place his birth place in Scotland? What were the details from his marriage cert for example: parents' names, location, his age, his father's occupation also witness names can help if they are family names.
It can get easier to search further back. Depending on what years you are starting to search from, some records may not yet be available on line.
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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missk042000
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Hi Monica,
Thanks for getting in touch. He married Isabella Huntley in 1908 and had 5 Children David John Burns, Jimmy Burns, Isabell Burns, Margaret Burns and John Burns. His parents are down on his marriage certificate as John Burns and Elizabeth but I can't make out her madian name. He was married in Dubar and died in Edinburgh. I think I have found a army record but can't be certain as his DOB is different from his marriage certificate. I also think I may have found a census record were his mum has remarried but don't know how I can be certain this is him.
Thanks so much
Karen
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MonicaLesl
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Hi Karen
A good thing to do at this stage is to try and confirm his mother's maiden name. Did you get his marriage cert from Scotlands People? If the writing is hard to make out, why don't you contact them on www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/content/contactus/form.aspx?issue=24
If you explain to them where you are having a problem making things out, they will send you via email and enhanced image for that section which in most cases makes it very clear. Normal turnaround is within 24-48 hrs
Once you have her surname confirmed, you can try to find a marriage cert for parents to work from. Hopefully this will let you get on to his birth cert to confirm his birth details.
Don't be too put off by varying ages on records. Always worthwhile searching +/- 2 yrs as people in those times were not so specific on ages!
In the meantime, what was his father, John Burns' occupation showing on his marriage cert? What age did your John show in his marriage cert?
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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missk042000
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Hi Monica,
Thanks for getting back to me. On his wedding certificate he was age 31 when the wedding was on 11/07/1908. His labour is Gunner Royal Garrison Artillary Militia. The other thing that was concerning me was that on his death certificate it had two marriages but on his second marriage it says bachelor on the certificate.
Thanks I will get in touch with Scotlands People and see what they say.
Thanks again for helping
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MonicaLesl
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Hi Karen
On John's death cert, does it show the names of both wives? Was Isabella Bentley the second marriage?
What was father's occupation on his marriage entry?
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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missk042000
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Hi Monica
It said Sarah McDonald was his first wife and Isabella Huntley was his second. His father was a labourer on his marriage certificate but had also past away by then as well as his mother.
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MonicaLesl
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Can't see a marriage between a John Burns and a Sarah McDonald on SP. The only potential one is showing on FreeBmd in England:
Marriages Jun 1906
Burns John at Whitehaven 10b 1262 - Two potential bride's names: Sarah McDonald or Elizabeth Barlow
Also, no deaths showing on SP for a Sarah M*cDonald/Burns before 1908.
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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missk042000
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That is really strange :S
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MonicaLesl
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Karen
I think we should take this stage by stage. Let's try and confirm his family once you have his mother's maiden name
Sounds like he joined the army early (going by his marriage occupation in 1908). What military papers do you think you may have found for him?
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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missk042000
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Ok dokie
British Army WWI Service Records, 1914-1920
about John Burns
Name: John Burns
Age: 39
Birth Year: abt 1875
Birth Parish: Haddington
Birth County: Haddingtonshire
Regiment Name: Cameron Highrs
Regiment Number: 11819
Document Year: 1914
Number of Images: 18
Found this on ancestry
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MonicaLesl
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Is this the entry you thought might be John, with potentially mother having remarried:
1891:
John McCormack 40, General Labourer, b. Haddington, Haddingtonshire
Elizabeth McCormack 39 b. Trannent
John Burns 14 b. Haddington, Haddingtonshire
Bridget McCormack 6
Thomas McCormack 4
Elizabeth McCormack 2
Address: No 9 Church Street, Haddington:
Potential entry for 1901:
John Burns, Private Cameron Highrs, 23, b. Haddington
Address: Millburn, Inverness
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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MonicaLesl
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Found the service papers for John. Certainly your John  Wife Isabella and children's details let you confirm it is the right John. Also, given previous service, likely that 1901 entry is his with the Cameron Highlanders.
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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missk042000
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Yup those are the ones.
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MonicaLesl
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Karen
This is a possible entry for John mis transcribed as Barns in 1881;
Honor Merlarky Or Whelan 56, farm worker b. Ireland
Elizabeth Barns 23, boarder, farm worker b. Trannent
John Barns 3, boarder, b. Haddington
Address: 2 Kilpair St, Haddington
Have you looked for a birth for John c. 1877 +/- 1 yrs in Haddington?
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