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Preshous
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Joseph Burnside, Cockerton
« on: Thursday 08 October 09 19:43 UTC (UK) »

Hi

I am looking for any information for the parents of Joseph Burnside born circa 1826 in Cockerton.
I have pretty much all the information from census records and marriages, he was married twice both certificates show no father. I know that begs the question was he illegitimate, very possible. I have trawled the IGI & the BTs to no avail. The only clue I can find is via the census which is that Joseph is living with his uncle Robert Burnside (b circa 1780 at Brafferton) in 1841,1851 & 1861. If Robert was indeed Josephs Uncle then the lack of a fathers name would suggest that Joseph was born to a sister of Roberts, and heres the bug bear, possible sisters for Robert show as being a wee bit to old to be bearing children ( youngest I can find would have been 49 when Joseph was born, not impossible, but unlikely) So hopefully a fresh pair of eyes can help me with this.

Gary
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Re: Joseph Burnside, Cockerton
« Reply #1 on: Friday 09 October 09 16:21 UTC (UK) »

have you looked under the name 'jos burnsides' as he is head of household aged 36 in 1861 born in cockerton, which would be your josephs age, unfortunatly where i found him (igi pilot search) there were no futher details, (to add im not the greatest at searching though)

just a thought

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Re: Joseph Burnside, Cockerton
« Reply #2 on: Friday 09 October 09 17:20 UTC (UK) »

Hi Inicky

Thank you for your interest. As I mentioned I have pretty much everything on Joseph as regards census entries.
You are right about Jos Burnsides in the 1861 census they are one and the same. Joseph consistently gave his birth place as cockerton in census returns. I was hoping someone may have access to the parish registers for cockerton. Also while I am here I would like to thank you for the link to the non conformist (Wesleyan) baptisms for the gateshead area, very useful.

Gary
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Re: Joseph Burnside, Cockerton
« Reply #3 on: Friday 09 October 09 18:30 UTC (UK) »

The parish church for Cockerton is Darlington (in BT's under Parlington).  You have looked there I take it?  I see the records don't so that high.

Up to 1812 I see three Burnsides baptisms.  I suppose you could keep a name in back of your mind:

Mary Burnside born 10 Aug 1799, baptised 23 Aug 1800 1st daughter of John Burnside, labourer, native of Brafferton in the parish of Aycliff by his wife Ann Parkin, native of Monk Heslington (sic) in this county.

I think Mary married in 1835 to a Francis Dinsdale if it is the same Mary Burnside.

Janis
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Northumberland:  Grey/Gray, Richardson, Barnfather, Heron, Redpath
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Re: Joseph Burnside, Cockerton
« Reply #4 on: Friday 09 October 09 18:36 UTC (UK) »

Hi Janis

Yes I did check the BTs for Parlington but they only go upto 1820 Cry  my Joseph was born circa 1826.

Gary
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Re: Joseph Burnside, Cockerton
« Reply #5 on: Friday 09 October 09 19:09 UTC (UK) »

I am thinking the uncle might be a great uncle and Robert and John are brothers being both born Brafferton.

Looking at Aycliff in the IGI  both Robert and John have a father named Joseph.

Janis
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Re: Joseph Burnside, Cockerton
« Reply #6 on: Friday 09 October 09 19:23 UTC (UK) »

Hi Janis

I did think (and still do) that Robert could be a great uncle. The age difference was just a wee bit beyond the norm.
I think I need to investigate a later generation of Burnside. I did notice a Benjamin Burnside which warrents further investigation. However without a birth/baptism for my Joseph it would only be speculation.

Gary
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Re: Joseph Burnside, Cockerton
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 10 October 09 00:37 UTC (UK) »

Hi Gary,

I have done some research on the Burnside families but don't have a Joseph or Robert that would fit yours. They will probably link up somewhere and I can check for Joseph's baptism next week at the library.

Cockerton was in the parish of St Cuthbert's, Darlington, until Holy Trinity opened.

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Colin
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Re: Joseph Burnside, Cockerton
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 10 October 09 04:48 UTC (UK) »

Hi Colin

A lookup would be most appreciated. As it seems doubtfull there would be a father named a mother would be a real bonus.

Regards Gary
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Re: Joseph Burnside, Cockerton
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 10 October 09 10:54 UTC (UK) »

I have a Joseph Burnside on my line who was born a little earlier in Cockerton, he may be an ancestor of your Joseph, he was a farmer's hind and lived at Oak Tree House, Cockerton in Darlington in 1785 when his daughter Lavinia was born. Lavinia married George Cowley in Haughton Le Skerne, Darlington in 1818 (as Lovehannah Burnside) it's possible they are relatives of yours. However, I have not researched this line yet and the only other scrap of information I have is a grave in Billingham (where the Cowleys migrated) right next to that of George and Lovehannah's son which reads: In Loving memory of Joseph Robert Burnside, youngest son of Joseph and Elizabeth Burnside who died May 9th 1909 aged 23 years, also Elizabeth, beloved wife of Joseph Robert Burnside and mother of the above who died June 11th 1917 aged 65 years.

Although I have not researched this line properly I found the above scrap online on familysearch as a lot of Darlington's parish records are available to view online as scanned images- much more than you get for an IGN search on the same website, if you didn't know this, go to family search's homepage, highlight 'Search Records' and click on 'Record Search Pilot', then click 'Browse our record collections' a map will appear, click on the UK, click on 'English diocese of durham bishops transcripts circa 1700-1900, then click on Durham, you should get a menu which includes parish records for Darlington (which includes Cockerton), Aycliffe, Coniscliffe and Haughton Le Skerne, click on the one you want, then select the time period and click 'view images', it has saved quite a few trips to Durham Records for me and it's nice to view the original records.


Hope this helps,
Dan Smiley
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Re: Joseph Burnside, Cockerton
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 10 October 09 11:45 UTC (UK) »

Hi Dan

Thanks for the info. Unfortunately the Burnsides on the gravestone are not mine (yet). My Joseph died in 1872.
As previously mentioned he married twice, first wife was  Jane Wedgewood with whom he had at least 5 children. Jane died in 1861. His second wife  was Elizabeth Richardson with whom had at least 4 children. Elizabeth went onto remarry in 1874. I have trawled the BTs for some time now hoping to get any info however the records I seek do not appear to be available. With any luck Colin will find something out from the parish records for cockerton.

Regards

Gary
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Re: Joseph Burnside, Cockerton
« Reply #11 on: Monday 12 October 09 23:59 UTC (UK) »

Hi Gary,

I thought I'd better let you know that I might not get to the library this week as I've just come down with a cold and I don't want to spread it.

If you or Dan ever decide to research the Burnside families I would suggest having a padded wall nearby. They are a nightmare because they all tended to use the same names at the same time.

As an example, Dan mentions Lavinia born 1785 at Cockerton. I have Lavinia born 1786 at Blackwell, both in the Parish of St Cuthbert's. Which one married George Cowley at Houghton le Skerne, which was also in the Parish of St Cuthbert's?
Or could it be yet another Lavinia as both would have been in their 30's by 1818? Early marriage records did not show father's name which makes for a lot of guesswork.

Colin

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Re: Joseph Burnside, Cockerton
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 13 October 09 04:26 UTC (UK) »

Hi Colin

Thanks for letting me know. I hope your cold is not to bad. I am in no rush for info on my Joseph. I know what you mean about the names and dates. I still think the lack of a fathers name on the marriage certificates could prove to the biggest clue. Again thank you for your interest. Get well soon.


Gary
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Re: Joseph Burnside, Cockerton
« Reply #13 on: Friday 23 October 09 00:09 UTC (UK) »

Hi Gary,

It was a disappointing search. No Joseph Burnside baptised at St Cuthbert's from Jan 1820 to Feb 1831. I re-checked for any Joseph baptised in 1825 or 1826 but there was nothing likely. I wondered if I had the year wrong so checked the census which confirmed it. His uncle (?) Robert was born Brafferton so I wondered if Joseph might have been baptised at Aycliffe. Unfortunately the library is having a recurrent problem with a leaking roof and the microfilm storage is cordoned off so I couldn't check.

I don't like being beaten so I checked the BTs for Aycliffe and still found nothing for Joseph, but there was an interesting burial on 15 Feb 1824 for Elizabeth Burnside age 82 of Bottom House, Parish of Darlington. This is the neighbouring farm to Holly House where Joseph and Robert were from 1851.

It seems to me that Robert could be the son of Elizabeth, and as he was born Brafferton, she would have moved to Cockerton after c1778, presumably with her husband. It might be worth trawling the BTs for St Cuthbert's to build up a possible mother or father for Joseph.
If I can help further, then let me know.

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Re: Joseph Burnside, Cockerton
« Reply #14 on: Friday 23 October 09 05:39 UTC (UK) »

Hi Colin

Many thanks for taking the time to look for my Joseph. It looks like he will remain a brick wall for a good while longer. The Elizabeth death seems promising if she proves to be the mother of Robert then that would/should mean she was at least the grandmother of my Joseph, and possibly his great grandmother.
Once again thank you for your efforts.

Gary
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