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Topic: Joseph Burnside, Cockerton (Read 1241 times)
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Colin Cruddace
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Hi Gary,
When I checked the Aycliffe BTs I think there were gaps and 1779 was missing. It might be worth checking the dates. I'm a bit busy for the next few days as we have a visitor from New Zealand. The IGI has extracted records for Aycliffe but I'm not sure if they are from the BTs or the actual registers.
I recall doing a quick check for any burnside/burnsides on the census, with a key word of cockerton, and found a farmer Robert age 60+ in 1841. This could be Joseph's uncle and not the one who is in the same household as Joseph at Mainsforth in 1841. I hope you can follow this.
Colin
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2zpool
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Looking at my HM Woods transcript of Aycliffe parish baptisms:
24 Oct 1779 Robert son of Joseph Burnsides, Brafferton, baptised.
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Co. Durham: Hall, Snowdon, Makepeace, Barnfather, Barrass, Gray/Grey, Wilson, Carr, Cole, Richardson, Greener Northumberland: Grey/Gray, Richardson, Barnfather, Heron, Redpath ------------------------------------------------------------------ Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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veerzzi
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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And there's not much I can add that you don't already know I'm afraid. I have saved this line for a rainy day as it is not one where I had any relatives to talk to about it. I can give you the following snippits whether they are any help is another matter...
If there is one line and Lavinia is in it, then I'm pretty certain that Lovehannah is her, her grandson lives with them for both the 1861 and 1851 census (I don't know who the child belongs to), he called his daughter Lavinia, the Cowleys also use a corruption of the name with daughters called Vinia/Vianer and Vina. On the 1851 census Lavinia is down as Vinah and the troubled ancestry transcriber has mis-written this as Sarah.
I was simply going to do what you have done and trawl and list any Cowley/Burnside mention in Cockerton, Brafferton and Aycliffe. I was also going to trawl Haughton Le Skerne as being Lavinia's parish of marriage. Lavinia and George Cowley are on every census in Walworth which could be a possible avenue of research also if her family followed her. The Cowleys stick around the Walworth and Piercebridge area until they migrate to Billingham, it looks like the original George Cowley and Lavinia die in Walworth though and don't make the trip but i have no death dates for them as yet or evidence of them beyond 1861. The remaining Cowleys spend time in Carlbury, Coniscliffe/Piercebridge and then move mostly on mass by Nov 1862 to Billingham and stay there, have a thousand children and are probably now related to every one there judging by the number of marriage certificates I have.
I also think that the grave I mentioned could well be the Burnsides further down the line, I have been through every Billingham record and there is no Burnisde presence there except for these two burials, that plus the reoccurrence of the names Joseph and Robert is suggestive of maintained family links across the distance.
The only other relatively useless thing I have is two logged possiblities for Burnsides found on the census accidently when I was looking for something else, they were: Elizabeth Burnside on the 1841 census living at Bondgate in Darlington with Ambrose aged 18 an ag lab , and Matilda aged 16 a farm girl. The other was logged as Mary Burnside aged 51 in 1851 and was the toll bar keeper ay Gainford, she has a visitor from Piercebridge stauing weith her and a grandchild from Cockerton. In 1841 she is an ag lab living with daughter Jane in Denton.
This is all I have at present I'm afraid.
Dan 
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Durham: Hall, Wilkinson, Watson, Gray, Wood, Cummings, Wheldon, Robinson, Cowley, Perkins, Burnside, Corby.
Northumberland: Wood, Hall, Wilkinson.
Gloucestershire: Smith, Jones, Wheeler.
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Ermintrude46
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a lot of Darlington's parish records are available to view online as scanned images Dan
Thanks for that, Dan, I had no idea this facility was available. I too have Burnsides from Darlington/Aycliffe in my line
Elizabeth Burnside on the 1841 census living at Bondgate in Darlington with Ambrose aged 18 an ag lab , and Matilda aged 16 a farm girl. Dan
Elizabeth [Watson] was my3xgreatgrandmother. Her husband was also Ambrose Burnside, a Potter/Brazier/Traveller and they married 8/10/1803 at Auckland St Andrew. I have only been able to find baptisms of their children in St Oswalds, Durham (Shincliffe) although the earliest I can find, Elizabeth bn. 3/5/1808, is shown as their “fourth child” in the baptism register so potentially plenty of room there for a Joseph and a Robert?? Ambrose was baptised bp. 16/8/1778 at Darlington and had a sister named, Lavinia, baptised 12/11/1786 along with ten other siblings, all the children of Edward and Elizabeth [Bousfield].
Ermy
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Baldwin / Dixey / Rumble (Berkshire)
Burnsides / Corps / Harker / HINDLE / Longstaff / Martin / Page (Co. Durham)
Chalker / Glyde / Morris / Pitman / Stroud (Dorset)
BARTON / Heasman / Wheatley (East Sussex)
Baby / Silver / Silvester (Hampshire)
Cheeseman / JONES / Wood (Kent)
Chalker (Somerset)
Curtis / Davis / Stevens (Wiltshire)
Arcules / Carter / HINTON (Worcestershire)
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Colin Cruddace
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Hi Ermy,
Here are the baptism details for their first 2 children at Auckland St Andrew.
1804, Elizabeth Burnside born Nov 20th, bapt Nov 28th, 1st daur of Ambrose Burnside, Potter, native of Blackwell, by his wife Elizabeth Watson, native of this Parish.
1806, Jane Burnside born Jan 15th, bapt Jan 18th, 2nd daur of Ambrose Burnside of Bishop Auckland, native of Blackwell near Darlington, by his wife Eliz. Watson native of Bishop Auckland.
On the down side, I have the above Ambrose as being the son of Benjamin, baptised on 22 May 1779 at St Cuthbert's Darlington, and the one bapt in 1778 as the son of Edward, and being married to Elizabeth Hull of Staithes in Feb 1802 at St Cuthbert's.
Colin
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Colin Cruddace
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Ermy,
I forgot to ask. Were any of your Longstaffs from Blackwell?
I have a photo of my grandad and his brother with a Mr Longstaff standing between them. They were all in DLI uniforms and it must have been just after they joined up for WW1.
Colin
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Ermintrude46
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Hi Colin,
Occupation is no help as both are potters or tinkers at various points, as are their fathers. There's only nine months between the baptisms of Ambrose1 bap Aug 1778 (son of Edward) and Ambrose2 bap May 1779 (son of Benjamin), though it's not clear how old either was at baptism. Did Ambrose and Eliz (Harrison) have any other children, do you know?
My descent is from Sarah, daughter of Ambrose and Eliz (Watson), who was born in Shincliffe on 6/12/1817. She married Joseph Hindle in April 1836, after the birth of their oldest son, Joseph Burnsides aka Hindle in Jan that year. Most of the names of their 12 children seem to derive from the Hindle side of the family, there is neither an Edward nor a Benjamin, but there is a Watson Hindle born 1853. I haven't followed the Burnsides down further than Sarah and some of her siblings. Their middle son, my great-grandfather, John Hindle, came south to Kent in the early 1880s. I have a photo taken of John and his wife and two small children probably as a token to leave behind as they never went back oop north.
Ermy
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Baldwin / Dixey / Rumble (Berkshire)
Burnsides / Corps / Harker / HINDLE / Longstaff / Martin / Page (Co. Durham)
Chalker / Glyde / Morris / Pitman / Stroud (Dorset)
BARTON / Heasman / Wheatley (East Sussex)
Baby / Silver / Silvester (Hampshire)
Cheeseman / JONES / Wood (Kent)
Chalker (Somerset)
Curtis / Davis / Stevens (Wiltshire)
Arcules / Carter / HINTON (Worcestershire)
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Colin Cruddace
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Hi Ermy,
Thanks for the details of your side which shows that I've got some details wrong in mine. I had assumed that Elizabeth and family in Bondgate in the 1841 census were mine and she was Elizabeth (Harrison nee Hull), but it's now fairly clear that they are yours. The daughter Diana married James Barlow and the witnesses were Francis Dinsdale and Sarah Hindle.
As a result, I now only have the one baptism in 1803 for my Edward and it looks as though the family disappear after that.
Colin
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. Its just going to be a case of trying to build family units were ever possible. They certainly dont help the cause by using the same names at the same times.
