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Ceeoh
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Re: Joseph Burnside, Cockerton
« Reply #30 on: Saturday 31 October 09 17:40 UTC (UK) »
Hello Preshous

Do you have an Isabella Burnsides and Ambrose Burnsides possibly of Belmont New Durham in your data?

My great grandmother Mary Smith!! is a very elusive lady and seems to have some connection to the Burnside/s family the above two being witnesses at her marriage 1869

However, they seemed to move around between Guisborough and Durham, I am assuming they were either travellers or tinkers etc.

I still need to check the census returns.

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Re: Joseph Burnside, Cockerton
« Reply #31 on: Saturday 31 October 09 18:41 UTC (UK) »
Hi Ceeoh

As you might have gathered from the posts on this topic the Burnside name is proving very problematic. I believe the Ambrose & Isabella who were witness's to your great grandmother's wedding can be found in the 1871 census
Piece: 4967; Folio: 86; Page: 31. From that census this particular Ambrose gives his place of birth as Yorkshire.
The naming convention of the Burnside family would suggest that most of the Burnside family c 1750 to c 1850 in the Durham/Yorkshire area are related in some way. Making the connection is an entirely different matter. I am trying to build distinct family units via census returns and BT's, not an easy task. I don't expect to be finished anytime soon.

Gary
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Blake: Sunderland
Stace: Sussex/Sunderland
Murray: Cumberland
Sanderson: Berwickshire/Durham
Burnside: Darlington
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Re: Joseph Burnside, Cockerton
« Reply #32 on: Saturday 31 October 09 20:38 UTC (UK) »
Looking back at the 1861 and 1851 that particular Ambrose appears to be the son of Edward and Sarah Burnsides.  Edw & Sarah (but not Ambrose) are in Guisborough in the 1851 census where Edward's place of birth is clearly given as "Yackley, Durham".  http://www.archive.org/stream/glossaryofdialec00hopeuoft/glossaryofdialec00hopeuoft_djvu.txt  This book of dialect pronunciations that are not said as spelt suggests that "Yackley" is actually Aycliff in Co. Durham.  Interestingly, Edward and Sarah's oldest son in 1851 is called Benjamin - Colin, do you think this could be Edward son of Ambrose and Elizabeth Harrison??
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Baldwin / Dixey / Rumble (Berkshire)
Burnsides / Corps / Harker / HINDLE / Longstaff / Martin / Page (Co. Durham)
Chalker / Glyde / Morris / Pitman / Stroud (Dorset)
BARTON / Heasman / Wheatley (East Sussex)
Baby / Silver / Silvester (Hampshire)
Cheeseman / JONES / Wood (Kent)
Chalker (Somerset)
Curtis / Davis / Stevens (Wiltshire)
Arcules / Carter / HINTON (Worcestershire)
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Re: Joseph Burnside, Cockerton
« Reply #33 on: Saturday 31 October 09 21:50 UTC (UK) »
Hello again - sorry to jump in on your topic again, but I see Ambrose in 1871 says he was born in Enterham Yorkshire (could that be Enterpen?) in 1861 he says Guisborough.

G grandma gives her place of birth as Guisborough until 1901 when it suddenly becomes Eggerven near York (no such place).

Any ideas what either of these could be the dialect pronunciation for please?

Many thanks
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Colin Cruddace
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Re: Joseph Burnside, Cockerton
« Reply #34 on: Sunday 01 November 09 01:42 UTC (UK) »
Quote from: Ermintrude46 on Saturday 31 October 09 20:38 UTC (UK)
Interestingly, Edward and Sarah's oldest son in 1851 is called Benjamin - Colin, do you think this could be Edward son of Ambrose and Elizabeth Harrison??

Ermy,
I am fairly sure that the Edward you refer to is not the one married to Sarah. He is my connection with the Burnside's and I wasn't sure I had the right parents for him. He married Elizabeth Swailes and I recently found that their son William married Elizabeth Swales, and in the 1851 he was living with the Swales family at Brompton on Swale but the way the they are recorded, it looks as though his wife was Mary Ann. I'm still trying to get my head round the last member of the family who was an 80 year old mother with surname Masfield, born Blackwell.

Padded-wall time  Sad Sad Sad

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Re: Joseph Burnside, Cockerton
« Reply #35 on: Sunday 01 November 09 17:07 UTC (UK) »
Hi Colin

I have just spent the whole weekend trying to build the Burnsides into family units and it is next to impossible. No matter which way I turn they all seem to be related. I have managed to build a few distinct family units from Aycliffe, but as with anything Burnside it seems all roads lead to Rome, and Rome being the key word here. The romans built the biggest wall in Britain and the bloody Burnside family are hiding behind it. I have built a huge excel book, so big it confuse's even me. But on a more positive note I got so sick of trawling the BT's I set to transcribing them to save searching images (not kind on the eyes).
It seems my Joseph will remain a mystery Cry

Gary
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Preshous: Yorkshire/Durham
Penwrights: Bedfordshire/Tasmania
Blake: Sunderland
Stace: Sussex/Sunderland
Murray: Cumberland
Sanderson: Berwickshire/Durham
Burnside: Darlington
Preshous
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Re: Joseph Burnside, Cockerton
« Reply #36 on: Sunday 01 November 09 17:22 UTC (UK) »
Hi ceeoh
I'am still trying to sort this Ambrose form the rest of them. It seems the Burnside clan roam freely, they should change their name to "have bags will travel".
Should I find out any more I will let you know.

Gary
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Preshous: Yorkshire/Durham
Penwrights: Bedfordshire/Tasmania
Blake: Sunderland
Stace: Sussex/Sunderland
Murray: Cumberland
Sanderson: Berwickshire/Durham
Burnside: Darlington
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Re: Joseph Burnside, Cockerton
« Reply #37 on: Sunday 01 November 09 18:04 UTC (UK) »
Hello Ceeoh,
                   Isabella and Ambrose you mention were hawkers, travelers,Isabellas maiden name was Gordon,
                Regards Margaret
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Re: Joseph Burnside, Cockerton
« Reply #38 on: Sunday 01 November 09 19:34 UTC (UK) »
Hi Gary,

The Romans also built a lot of roads and the Burnsides seemed to use them a lot  Wink
Good luck with the transcribing, it's a mammoth undertaking.
If you, or anyone else, would like an outline descendant report on the way I see the families, could you PM your contact details.

Colin
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Re: Joseph Burnside, Cockerton
« Reply #39 on: Sunday 01 November 09 19:46 UTC (UK) »
Hi Colin

Thanks for that. I will take you up on whatever research you have up to now it will save going over the same ground. I am away for a week as from tomorrow. The transcribing the BT's is not as bad as it may sound I have a voice program, In other words I speak and the computer does the rest, it is really quite fast.
I will PM you when I get home.

Gary
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Preshous: Yorkshire/Durham
Penwrights: Bedfordshire/Tasmania
Blake: Sunderland
Stace: Sussex/Sunderland
Murray: Cumberland
Sanderson: Berwickshire/Durham
Burnside: Darlington
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Re: Joseph Burnside, Cockerton
« Reply #40 on: Friday 06 November 09 23:27 UTC (UK) »
Went into my local library to try the Ancestry Library Edition for the first time as I only have a basic membership and can't access the parish info etc (grrr!).  A search for Ambrose Burnside(s) brought up a baptism for Elizabeth Burnside in Easingwold, Yorks on 18/7/1785.  Her parents are given as Benjamin Burnside of Blackwell, potter, son of John Burnside of Auckland and Ann, daughter of Ambrose Burnside of Blackwell.  Every little helps??
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Baldwin / Dixey / Rumble (Berkshire)
Burnsides / Corps / Harker / HINDLE / Longstaff / Martin / Page (Co. Durham)
Chalker / Glyde / Morris / Pitman / Stroud (Dorset)
BARTON / Heasman / Wheatley (East Sussex)
Baby / Silver / Silvester (Hampshire)
Cheeseman / JONES / Wood (Kent)
Chalker (Somerset)
Curtis / Davis / Stevens (Wiltshire)
Arcules / Carter / HINTON (Worcestershire)
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Re: Joseph Burnside, Cockerton
« Reply #41 on: Sunday 08 November 09 21:59 UTC (UK) »
Well done Ermy that's a great find. It sounds as though it is one of the 'Dade' entries where baptisms had so much more detail. It's also interesting to note that Benjamin and Ann had a daughter Elizabeth baptised at St Cuthbert's Darlington on 28 May 1784. I have checked their burial records but didn't find an entry for this earlier one.

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Re: Joseph Burnside, Cockerton
« Reply #42 on: Sunday 08 November 09 22:11 UTC (UK) »
Hi Ermy
Thanks for the info,as you say every little helps. I am still building a [b]BURNSIDE/S/[b] profile.I have come across a few distinct family groups. This family seem to be so closely knit it is proving extremely difficult to sort the wheat from the chaff.

Gary
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Preshous: Yorkshire/Durham
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Blake: Sunderland
Stace: Sussex/Sunderland
Murray: Cumberland
Sanderson: Berwickshire/Durham
Burnside: Darlington
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Re: Joseph Burnside, Cockerton
« Reply #43 on: Thursday 12 November 09 15:24 UTC (UK) »
Hi All

Came across this entry in the BT's.
Parlington, Darlington St Cuthberts 1762-1820 image 479.
Baptism of Robert Burnside on the 28th May 1815 illegitimate son of Violetta Burnsides single woman, daughter of Joseph Burnsides Bottom House, labourer. Try as I might i can not find a birth for this Violetta.
Also there is this entry for baptism for a Francis in the same BT image 478 with parents as Edward & Sarah. Edwards occupation is given as a sailor??, thats a new one on me a Burnside other than a farmer/tinker/potter?.
Francis died in 1818, source NBI, which is what led me to search for his birth.
The plot thickens.


Gary
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Penwrights: Bedfordshire/Tasmania
Blake: Sunderland
Stace: Sussex/Sunderland
Murray: Cumberland
Sanderson: Berwickshire/Durham
Burnside: Darlington
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Re: Joseph Burnside, Cockerton
« Reply #44 on: Friday 13 November 09 01:37 UTC (UK) »
Quote from: Colin Cruddace on Friday 23 October 09 00:09 UTC (UK)

I don't like being beaten so I checked the BTs for Aycliffe and still found nothing for Joseph, but there was an interesting burial on 15 Feb 1824 for Elizabeth Burnside age 82 of Bottom House, Parish of Darlington. This is the neighbouring farm to Holly House where Joseph and Robert were from 1851.


Hi Gary,

Just a reminder of an earlier post. Have you checked Aycliffe for Violetta's baptism?

Colin
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