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Topic: Jane Wall (nee Harrold) died in a fire in Montreal COMPLETED (Read 394 times)
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andarah
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I have an ancestor who died in a fire in Montreal in 1890. She was married to Michael Wall and had twin children: Catherine and William Patrick (b. 1887). She was 24 when she died.
Does this sound familiar to anyone? We are very curious about the family and the circumstances of the fire.
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Montreal, Canada: Harrold, Martimbeau, David, Bertz
Newfoundland, Canada: George
Somerset, England: Slade, Thorne
Workington/Liverpool, England: Reay, Hargrove, Hampson
Glasgow, Scotland: Burns, McBride, Hogg, Burns, McKay
Orkney Islands, Scotland: Harrold, McKay
Aberdeen/Fossaway, Scotland: Duncan, Shepherd, Burns
Antrim, Ireland: Warwick
Ireland: Quinn, Bradley, Kane (no idea where in Ireland)
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andarah
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I have found a 2nd Michael Wall and Jane Harrold. They were married in 1881, and Jane is a different Jane even though all the names fit.
Our Jane definitely died on Nov 21, 1890. I have seen the death certificate, with her mother and sister's signatures.
We are confused why her husband did not sign, so we wonder if he possibly died as well, or was injured and hospitalized. We don't know if it was even a home fire, but if it was, it would make sense that more than Jane would have been hurt/killed.
Thanks for checking!
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Montreal, Canada: Harrold, Martimbeau, David, Bertz
Newfoundland, Canada: George
Somerset, England: Slade, Thorne
Workington/Liverpool, England: Reay, Hargrove, Hampson
Glasgow, Scotland: Burns, McBride, Hogg, Burns, McKay
Orkney Islands, Scotland: Harrold, McKay
Aberdeen/Fossaway, Scotland: Duncan, Shepherd, Burns
Antrim, Ireland: Warwick
Ireland: Quinn, Bradley, Kane (no idea where in Ireland)
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andarah
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I realized I didn't answer the question.
Jane came from the Orkney Islands, Scotland, via England in 1872 at the age of 5/6.
Micheal may have arrived on July 25, 1868 at the age of 7 with his 17 year old sister. There were no adults with them. I don't know where the ship originated from, but the name of the ship was St George and it was with the Montreal Ocean Steamship Company. I don't know if this is him.
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Montreal, Canada: Harrold, Martimbeau, David, Bertz
Newfoundland, Canada: George
Somerset, England: Slade, Thorne
Workington/Liverpool, England: Reay, Hargrove, Hampson
Glasgow, Scotland: Burns, McBride, Hogg, Burns, McKay
Orkney Islands, Scotland: Harrold, McKay
Aberdeen/Fossaway, Scotland: Duncan, Shepherd, Burns
Antrim, Ireland: Warwick
Ireland: Quinn, Bradley, Kane (no idea where in Ireland)
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andarah
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Based on your question, I just did more searching and I found a birth record for Catherine in 1891 (after the fire) and the parents are Michael Wall and Jane Harrold. That would be too big of a coicidence - it's one thing to have the couples with the same names, but to also have a child with the same name is very improbable. In addition, it says in Catherine's birth record that Michael Wall is a plumber, and he was a plumber. It must be them. I had been told that Catherine and William were twins born in 1887, but that must be an error. I got all of the original info from my uncle who did all of his searching over decades without the aid of a computer or internet.
But, then who died? I've seen it and it's her mother and sister that signed it. The lack of Michael's signature was puzzling, but could the other Jane Harrold really have a mother and sister with the same name in addition to marrying a man with the same name?
Maybe she rose from the dead! I am completely confused. Thank you for making me question it!
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Montreal, Canada: Harrold, Martimbeau, David, Bertz
Newfoundland, Canada: George
Somerset, England: Slade, Thorne
Workington/Liverpool, England: Reay, Hargrove, Hampson
Glasgow, Scotland: Burns, McBride, Hogg, Burns, McKay
Orkney Islands, Scotland: Harrold, McKay
Aberdeen/Fossaway, Scotland: Duncan, Shepherd, Burns
Antrim, Ireland: Warwick
Ireland: Quinn, Bradley, Kane (no idea where in Ireland)
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andarah
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I don't know if the children stayed in Canada, but Jane's parents are Martha Thorne and James Scarth Harrold.
The death certificate was signed by Martha Harrold and Lizzie Harrold. Lizzie would have only been 17, so she seems young to have signed an important document.
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Montreal, Canada: Harrold, Martimbeau, David, Bertz
Newfoundland, Canada: George
Somerset, England: Slade, Thorne
Workington/Liverpool, England: Reay, Hargrove, Hampson
Glasgow, Scotland: Burns, McBride, Hogg, Burns, McKay
Orkney Islands, Scotland: Harrold, McKay
Aberdeen/Fossaway, Scotland: Duncan, Shepherd, Burns
Antrim, Ireland: Warwick
Ireland: Quinn, Bradley, Kane (no idea where in Ireland)
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andarah
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I just found the census from 1891 that you found. I don't think it's them. It says that Jane is 32, but she would have been 25. I know they make mistakes, but that's a big discrepancy. Also, it says she's from Ireland. I know that she wasn't. It's not even her heritage because we've traced her family in Orkney Islands for 200 years. However, Michael might be from Ireland they made an assumption on the census.
I really don't know how to figure this out.
I'm fairly new to this.
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Montreal, Canada: Harrold, Martimbeau, David, Bertz
Newfoundland, Canada: George
Somerset, England: Slade, Thorne
Workington/Liverpool, England: Reay, Hargrove, Hampson
Glasgow, Scotland: Burns, McBride, Hogg, Burns, McKay
Orkney Islands, Scotland: Harrold, McKay
Aberdeen/Fossaway, Scotland: Duncan, Shepherd, Burns
Antrim, Ireland: Warwick
Ireland: Quinn, Bradley, Kane (no idea where in Ireland)
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andarah
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It sure is a confusing one.
Have you followed Michael in the Quebec directories?
Karen
What is that?
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Montreal, Canada: Harrold, Martimbeau, David, Bertz
Newfoundland, Canada: George
Somerset, England: Slade, Thorne
Workington/Liverpool, England: Reay, Hargrove, Hampson
Glasgow, Scotland: Burns, McBride, Hogg, Burns, McKay
Orkney Islands, Scotland: Harrold, McKay
Aberdeen/Fossaway, Scotland: Duncan, Shepherd, Burns
Antrim, Ireland: Warwick
Ireland: Quinn, Bradley, Kane (no idea where in Ireland)
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andarah
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I just checked her death registration again and it's clearly her.
It states that her father is James Harrold and her mother is Martha Thorne. Her mother and her sister signed it. It says she died Nov 21, 1890.
However, what makes it very confusing is that the document appears to be written by 2 different people (some has been erased and changed). From the looks of the rest of the page, the original writing was the names, but the details were changed at some point.
I wish I could cut and paste it.
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Montreal, Canada: Harrold, Martimbeau, David, Bertz
Newfoundland, Canada: George
Somerset, England: Slade, Thorne
Workington/Liverpool, England: Reay, Hargrove, Hampson
Glasgow, Scotland: Burns, McBride, Hogg, Burns, McKay
Orkney Islands, Scotland: Harrold, McKay
Aberdeen/Fossaway, Scotland: Duncan, Shepherd, Burns
Antrim, Ireland: Warwick
Ireland: Quinn, Bradley, Kane (no idea where in Ireland)
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