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Topic: Jane Wall (nee Harrold) died in a fire in Montreal COMPLETED (Read 395 times)
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andarah
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Thanks!
What is interesting is that he lived at one place until 88/90, then he isn't listed for 90/91. In 91/92 he's in a different location.
That could make sense if his wife died, or it burnt down.
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Montreal, Canada: Harrold, Martimbeau, David, Bertz
Newfoundland, Canada: George
Somerset, England: Slade, Thorne
Workington/Liverpool, England: Reay, Hargrove, Hampson
Glasgow, Scotland: Burns, McBride, Hogg, Burns, McKay
Orkney Islands, Scotland: Harrold, McKay
Aberdeen/Fossaway, Scotland: Duncan, Shepherd, Burns
Antrim, Ireland: Warwick
Ireland: Quinn, Bradley, Kane (no idea where in Ireland)
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andarah
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I wish I could cut and paste it.
Me too 
I don't know if you can look at it, but it's in the Drouin Records for Quebec. I am looking at it on ancestry.co.uk, but it's not free, so I cannot simply give you the link. Do you have access to that?
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Montreal, Canada: Harrold, Martimbeau, David, Bertz
Newfoundland, Canada: George
Somerset, England: Slade, Thorne
Workington/Liverpool, England: Reay, Hargrove, Hampson
Glasgow, Scotland: Burns, McBride, Hogg, Burns, McKay
Orkney Islands, Scotland: Harrold, McKay
Aberdeen/Fossaway, Scotland: Duncan, Shepherd, Burns
Antrim, Ireland: Warwick
Ireland: Quinn, Bradley, Kane (no idea where in Ireland)
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cosmac
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The death of Jane Harold is indexed in the Drouin collection under the last name only and is from the Methodist Church in Montreal - Centenary Pointe St. Charles. Her father's death is also found in the same church records James Harold, 37 native of Scotland, died in Montreal April 17, 1878. Wife Martha a witness.
The other Jane Harold, wife of Michael Hall, died Nov 16 1930 and Michael died May 22, 1930. Their sons Joseph and Fred were witnesses. This was a Catholic family and their records come from St. Anthony's of Padua. Their marriage was in a Catholic church, their daughter Catherine Ellen Mary Wall d/o Michael Wall, plumber was born 17 Jan 1891 and she is on the 1901 or 1911 census as Kathleen. She married in the Catholic church in 1922 to William Ed Hunt and at least 5 children. Joseph Patrick Wall was a witness and sponsor to one of the children.
Debbie
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cosmac
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Jane's brother James was married Feb 17, 1904 to Sarah Anne Gilbert in the Montreal Methodist Church Mountain St. He is on the 1901 census living with his mother in Montreal and in 1911 he and his wife and mother reside together. Their immigration year is 1870. Martha is shown as being born in England.
The information you received from your uncle indicates a marriage and children for Jane. What records did he have for proof of marriage?
With reference to her death record I find it strange that she is buried solely under a maiden name with no mention of a married surname.
Debbie
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cosmac
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On the 1881 census ancestry has the family indexed as Haruld. They are in Montreal Centre #2 Ste. Anne Ward
Margret(43), Irene(should be Jane), James, Loren H., Elizabeth, John.
The twins, July Catherine Harold and William Patrick Harold, born 24 July 1887 to parents Michel James Wall, plumber and Jane Harold were baptized in the Roman Catholic Church (Saint Ann).
Joseph Patrick was also baptized at this church 30 April 1898.
Has the similarity of names caused some mixup in your family tree.
Debbie
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cosmac
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There are a number of unrelated Harold surnames indexed which actually turn out to be a middle name. Perhaps the twins birth is one such mistake as the entry does reference the legal marriage of Michel Wall and Jane Harrold. Since these are Catholic baptisms I think that the Micheal Wall of Irish descent that is found with Jane and a number of children in Montreal has most likely been confused with the daughter of James and Martha/Margaret that died in 1890 (unless there is some indication on her tombstone that she was married at her death).
Debbie
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andarah
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Wow! I have a lot to look at today. I went to bed and woke up to find lots of information.
Thank you so much!
I have to contact my uncle to find out what evidence he has for his information.
This ancestor is actually the sister of my ancestor, so we have very little information, and nothing that has been passed down through generations of conversations and discussions. Her brother John is my great-grandfather. My grandfather died while my mother was a child and there was a family fued that cut off relations with my grandfather's siblings. All of the information we have has been generated through searching, rather than word-of-mouth.
Yes, that is correct about Martha being born in England. Her family is English. James Harrold is from the Orkney Islands.
Thanks again!
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Montreal, Canada: Harrold, Martimbeau, David, Bertz
Newfoundland, Canada: George
Somerset, England: Slade, Thorne
Workington/Liverpool, England: Reay, Hargrove, Hampson
Glasgow, Scotland: Burns, McBride, Hogg, Burns, McKay
Orkney Islands, Scotland: Harrold, McKay
Aberdeen/Fossaway, Scotland: Duncan, Shepherd, Burns
Antrim, Ireland: Warwick
Ireland: Quinn, Bradley, Kane (no idea where in Ireland)
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andarah
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I hadn't picked up on the fact that Jane was married under her maiden name, which is interesting, and could also possibly explain why Michael didn't sign the death registration.
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Montreal, Canada: Harrold, Martimbeau, David, Bertz
Newfoundland, Canada: George
Somerset, England: Slade, Thorne
Workington/Liverpool, England: Reay, Hargrove, Hampson
Glasgow, Scotland: Burns, McBride, Hogg, Burns, McKay
Orkney Islands, Scotland: Harrold, McKay
Aberdeen/Fossaway, Scotland: Duncan, Shepherd, Burns
Antrim, Ireland: Warwick
Ireland: Quinn, Bradley, Kane (no idea where in Ireland)
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andarah
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On the 1881 census ancestry has the family indexed as Haruld. They are in Montreal Centre #2 Ste. Anne Ward
Margret(43), Irene(should be Jane), James, Loren H., Elizabeth, John.
The twins, July Catherine Harold and William Patrick Harold, born 24 July 1887 to parents Michel James Wall, plumber and Jane Harold were baptized in the Roman Catholic Church (Saint Ann).
Joseph Patrick was also baptized at this church 30 April 1898.
Has the similarity of names caused some mixup in your family tree.
Debbie
I just found the birth registrations as well. I had never though to look them up under Harrold. I don't know why they would not have been named `Wall' It does state that Michael James Wall and Jane Harrold were lawfully married.
The sponsors for July Catherine were John Harrold (that would be my great-grandfather, but again, could be coincidence), and Cecelia McCormack. The sponsors for William Patrick were John H Kelly and Ellie/Ellen Harrold. In my family tree, Jane has a sister name Isabella, who could be called Ellie, but I dount Ellen. The signature looks like Ellen.
They were definitely baptized catholic, and Jane was protestant. I wonder if she followed Catholocism in Canada because of Michael, and baptized her children Catholic, but never actually converted, so was buried protestant.
In the end, I just compared signatures of John Harrold from this birth registration to his marriage registration. I then noticed that he spelled his name one `r' on the birth registration and with 2 on his marriage registration. The signatures are also different, but that can change over 20 years. I doubt he would spell his name wrong, so I am assuming this is just one huge coincidence.
Does that leave me with Jane Harrold dying without children or Michael? There is still 2 sets. I don't know, but she is not the mother of these twins, and she did die in 1890.
Thank you so much for the help! I think my uncle will be disappointed, but that happens.
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Montreal, Canada: Harrold, Martimbeau, David, Bertz
Newfoundland, Canada: George
Somerset, England: Slade, Thorne
Workington/Liverpool, England: Reay, Hargrove, Hampson
Glasgow, Scotland: Burns, McBride, Hogg, Burns, McKay
Orkney Islands, Scotland: Harrold, McKay
Aberdeen/Fossaway, Scotland: Duncan, Shepherd, Burns
Antrim, Ireland: Warwick
Ireland: Quinn, Bradley, Kane (no idea where in Ireland)
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