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Topic: Jane Wall (nee Harrold) died in a fire in Montreal COMPLETED (Read 386 times)
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cosmac
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In the RC parish of Saint Ann June 8, 1881 was the marriage of Michael Wall s/o James Wall and Julia Doyle to Jane Harold d/o George Harold and Bridget McLane in the presence of John Hrold and Margaret Harold.
William Wall son of Michael Wall, plumber and Jane Harold of St. Anne Parish died 28 Jan 1888 and Julia Catherine Wall of same parentage died 24 Feb? 1888. Burial records through Montreal (Basilique Notre Dame).
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KarenM
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My Grandpa Stanley has the hanky in his pocket
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In my family tree, Jane has a sister name Isabella, who could be called Ellie, but I dount Ellen. The signature looks like Ellen.
There is a death for Isabella Harrold in 1877, aged 2 years and 6 months, daughter of James & Martha Harold. The death is at the Centenary Pointe St. Charles, Montreal, Methodist Church
Karen
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Gandley (but known as Stanley in Canada)- Ireland to Birmingham
Ball, Kempson & Franklin - Birmingham
Shorter - Surrey
Dyer - Devon
Dawkins - Co. Cork, Ireland
Heffernan - Ireland
Huck - Alsace, France
Reinhart - Baden, Germany
Bowman & Ellis - England
Etheridge - Glouchester
Who all came to Canada in a little row boat, clap clap, clap your hands!!
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cosmac
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http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/e/e142/e003533959.jpg
I would think this is Jane arriving with her parents, brother John and infant sister on the Nestorian travelling from Liverpool and arriving Quebec 22 May 1871.
Debbie
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cosmac
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The marriage of John Harold, s/o the late James Harold and Martha Thorn, took place 18 Aug 1898 in the Catholic church of Saint Ann (Montreal). A special dispensation was granted due to the issue of mixed religions. John was a baptized protestant and his wife, Julia George, a Roman Catholic of St. Ann's parish.
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cosmac
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John Harold b. 16 Nov 1876 - his baptism was recorded at Methodist Centenary Point-St-Charles.
His burial was registered at Montreal (United Church Cemetery) 21 Aug 1928. John, husband of Julia George, died at Royal Victoria Hospital at 51.
Perhaps this is the marriage of Elizabeth Harrold recorded at Montreal (Presbyterian Calvin) on 18 Dec 1895. No parents for either party are given so it's hard to be sure. Elizabeth Harrold of Montreal married Peter Dick Howatt, brakesman, of Montreal by licence.
Ancestry has the following marriage indexed under Mc Lees but the surname could be McLeer or McLear
John McLee?, widower, of Bissbee Arizona, engineer, s/o Archibald McLee? and Elizabeth Sutherland married Florence H. Harrold, spinster of Montreal, d/o the late James Harold and Martha Thorn on 9 May 1891 at Montreal (Methoist Centenary Point-St-Charles)
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andarah
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In the RC parish of Saint Ann June 8, 1881 was the marriage of Michael Wall s/o James Wall and Julia Doyle to Jane Harold d/o George Harold and Bridget McLane in the presence of John Hrold and Margaret Harold.
William Wall son of Michael Wall, plumber and Jane Harold of St. Anne Parish died 28 Jan 1888 and Julia Catherine Wall of same parentage died 24 Feb? 1888. Burial records through Montreal (Basilique Notre Dame).
Debbie
This is why I know that this is the wrong Jane Harrold. Our Jane's parents are James Harrold and Martha Thorne.
I hadn't caught the deaths of the children. That means they would have both died within a year of birth, and it could explain why they do not appear in any of the future censuses.
I did look as well and found William Wall dying on Jan 26, 1888 and Julia Catherine Wall dying on Feb 22, 1888 (the discrepancy from the dates stated above is because the dates above are the dates for the registration of their deaths and not their actual deaths).
What is interesting is that here they are `Walls', but on their birth registrations they were `Harolds'.
So, rather than there being 2 sets of Janes and Michaels, I think there is 2 Jane Harrolds and 1 Michael. Both Janes have a relative named John. The couple married in 1881 and had 2 children in 1887. Those children both died a few months later. My Jane Harrold died in 1890, but was never married to Michael or had any children. Jane and Michael had another daughter named Catherine in 1891 (that had been another confusing thing for me, but not uncommon when a child has died). They went on to have more children.
The date in 1871 for arrival in Canada is the same record that I have found and all ages and names fit with the family.
The information found for John Harrold and Julia George is correct, but I hadn't realized or known they had special dispensation to marry. I knew that the Harrolds were Protestant and that my mothers family was Catholic and had wondered where the change had happened. Where did you find that information?
Yes, Elizabeth married Peter Dick Howat, but I have not yet done any research on that.
I have been told that Florence married on May 9, 1891 to John McTeir. My spelling of the name is a guess, and could fit with what you found for McLear. I haven't looked at her yet either, but thanks for giving me a direction. I got the name McTeir from my uncle, and I don't know where he got it from. I assume it is research, so he easily could have made an educated guess and came up with the wrong name.
I am very new to this, so I have not yet spent a lot of time on siblings. Thank you!!!!
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Montreal, Canada: Harrold, Martimbeau, David, Bertz
Newfoundland, Canada: George
Somerset, England: Slade, Thorne
Workington/Liverpool, England: Reay, Hargrove, Hampson
Glasgow, Scotland: Burns, McBride, Hogg, Burns, McKay
Orkney Islands, Scotland: Harrold, McKay
Aberdeen/Fossaway, Scotland: Duncan, Shepherd, Burns
Antrim, Ireland: Warwick
Ireland: Quinn, Bradley, Kane (no idea where in Ireland)
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cosmac
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I think that everyone looking at the facts would agree that your Jane Harold did not marry into the Irish Catholic family of Michael Wall the plumber.
The marriage information for John is from the Drouin records. The church he married in noted beside the information.
In the Drouin records you will be able to find Peter Howat's death in 1938, the birth of his sons Norman Dick (1903), William John (1899), James Russell (1905) and daughter Myrtle Elizabeth (1907). His daughter married in 1931 to Wilfred Brammell. Florence McTier/Leer/Lear had at least one child, Florence Ellen, who married in 1916 to William Albert Hope.
There are probably other records there as well.
Debbie
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Good going Karen & Debbie, I believe that you have resolved this, but aren't we so lucky to have all this info at our fingertips ( literally) in order to do so?
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