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Abygail
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Mary BALSOM from Launceston Cornwall
« on: Friday 09 October 09 10:42 UTC (UK) »

I must commend you all on the details you have turned up.   If you find a Mary Balsome born 1895 at Launceston, Cornwall / Devon to Mary and Christian Balsome I'd love to hear about.   Married George Harvie Symonds c 1822 , school master at Perranarworthal, Cornwall. 
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Derry - KELLY Daniel b1812 wed in Aust.1849 
Cornwell - Newton on Abbot area SYMON(D)S - George Harvie wife BALSOM(E) Mary b1795
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Re: Robert & Mary TAYLOR nee BALSOM
« Reply #1 on: Friday 09 October 09 10:45 UTC (UK) »

I must commend you all on the details you have turned up.   If you find a Mary Balsome born 1895 at Launceston, Cornwall / Devon to Mary and Christian Balsome I'd love to hear about.   Married George Harvie Symonds c 1822 , school master at Perranarworthal, Cornwall. 
Abygail

Hello there

Did she also come to Australia or are you looking at Uk information

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Re: Robert & Mary TAYLOR nee BALSOM
« Reply #2 on: Friday 09 October 09 10:55 UTC (UK) »

Sorry, a tad vague.
Mary, husband George Symonds and most of their brood arrived in Australia in 1853, no trouble tracking them forward.  It's just that I am stuck re Mary.   I have info re her from the 1841 and 1851 UK census, but haven't had even a hint on finding a possible birth recording for her.     According to her death cert in Aust. her father was Christian Balsome and her mother Mary Ann unknown.
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Re: Robert & Mary TAYLOR nee BALSOM
« Reply #3 on: Friday 09 October 09 11:42 UTC (UK) »

What was the name of the vessell they came to Australia on please so I can check to see if her maiden name is  mentioned at all.

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HAIR, Durham,
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Re: Mary BALSOM from Launceston Cornwall
« Reply #4 on: Friday 09 October 09 22:49 UTC (UK) »

Hi Abygail,

I have separate your query as it does not concern Robert & Mary TAYLOR nee BALSOM - the subjects of ChrisKsans thread, so best to make it a separate request. If it is Cornish information you are after rather than Australian it would be best posted to the Cornwall board.

Cheers Kris  Smiley
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Re: Mary BALSOM from Launceston Cornwall
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 10 October 09 11:01 UTC (UK) »

The family immigrated to Australia on the Stebonheath arriving Jan 1853.   The passenger listing included;
George H Symonds and wife Mary aged 55 and 57 respectively.
Mary A 29      Louisa, 24
Rebecca, 21      Sarah, 19
Charles, 17      Christiana, 15
At their date of immigration, it appears that the following remained in Cornwell,
George, engineer app.      Walter, tin mining   Eliza (beth?) married?

According to Mary's death registration (1862 Victoria Aust) her maiden name was Balsome and her father's first name was Christian and her mother was Mary unknown.
It seems that Mary was from Launceston, Devon / Cornwell and for George Harvie Symonds I have located parents (Walter Symons and Mary Harvie)and paternal grandparents (Walter Symonds and Mary Fowell) in / around Stoke Damerel, Devon.
I just haven't had much joy in finding references to Mary Balsom other than the 1841 and 1851 UK Census's. 
I'm flexiable with the varients in spelling of both Balsom and Symons, I have noted that it chops and changes back and forth, with an 'E' or with a 'D' .
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Tyrone- SEETON George, John; COULTER Mary>1919
Derry - KELLY Daniel b1812 wed in Aust.1849 
Cornwell - Newton on Abbot area SYMON(D)S - George Harvie wife BALSOM(E) Mary b1795
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Re: Mary BALSOM from Launceston Cornwall
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 11 October 09 14:01 UTC (UK) »

Hi,

In case it helps finding her birth/baptism, the 1851 census shows Mary being from Newton Abbot, Devon,


1851  HO107/1911  f.10  p.13  Perranarworthal, Cornwall
Perran Well, Green With

SYMONS
George Thos    Head    54    School Master           Devon Port Devon
Mary              Wife    56    School Masters Wife    Newton Abbot Devon
Louisa             Daur    24    Dressmaker
Eliza               Daur    22    Tailoress
Rebecca          Daur    20    Dressmaker
Sarah Jane       Daur    17    House Maid
Christiana        Daur    13    At Home Scholar        All children Perranarl Cornwall


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Abygail
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Re: Mary BALSOM from Launceston Cornwall
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 11 October 09 22:20 UTC (UK) »

Thank you Daisypetal.
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Durham - HARDY Ann, Mary, CLARKE William, Elizabeth, DABRON Robert, Thomas, Rhoda >1853
Tyrone- SEETON George, John; COULTER Mary>1919
Derry - KELLY Daniel b1812 wed in Aust.1849 
Cornwell - Newton on Abbot area SYMON(D)S - George Harvie wife BALSOM(E) Mary b1795
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Re: Mary BALSOM from Launceston Cornwall
« Reply #8 on: Monday 12 October 09 00:28 UTC (UK) »

Hi Abygail,

link to earlier thread to avoid duplication.

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,288989.0.html

I am concerned about father Christian. Christian is not a male name around Cornwall and Devon. It is a female name. ( this name is pronounced Christeeayne not pronounced anything like the male name Christian that we know) Undecided

I really find it hard to see parents being Christian and Mary as both are female names. (as far as a male name - Christopher perhaps, or I have seen Henry transcribed as Mary in the past - Christian and Mary just does not true to me.  Undecided )

Note a daughter Christiana born to George and Mary.

Do you have the death certificate?

As Daizi has said Mary lists Newton Abbot as her POB in 1851 and there certainly were Balsom's there.

Cheers Kris  Smiley

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Re: Mary BALSOM from Launceston Cornwall
« Reply #9 on: Monday 12 October 09 12:08 UTC (UK) »

Thanks Kris,
Nothing beats a bit of local knowledge.  With a daughter named Christiana I assumed that Christopher was not a variation on Christian (as I have found with some Scottish ancestors) .   the feminine variation on Christopher is Christine, the addition of an 'a' to Christian  it fitted into place.
With her mother being listed as Mary unknown, it seemed to follow that her father was Christian.   Balsom has a variety of spellings as does Symons
Just look at todays first names some parents are using, imagine trying to sort them in a 200 plus years time. Smiley
Be nice to find a record of George and Mary's (Symonds) marriage, might help clear things up.
Will do some more homework.   Yes I have George and Mary's death registrations.
Abygail

Just an odd thought, maybe Mary and Christian were both ladies and we'll never know who the father really was.   Same sex unions aren't just a 20th century thing.
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Derry - KELLY Daniel b1812 wed in Aust.1849 
Cornwell - Newton on Abbot area SYMON(D)S - George Harvie wife BALSOM(E) Mary b1795
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Re: Mary BALSOM from Launceston Cornwall
« Reply #10 on: Monday 12 October 09 13:23 UTC (UK) »

I think George and Mary's marriage must be in Devon. Unfortunately from that period the information contained will be limited. Parents will not be listed - Witnesses may help.  Cry

Yes I have George and Mary's death registrations.
Does this mean you only have the information from the index and not the actual death certificate?
I really feel it would be best to see the actually certificate, Christian and Mary just does not sound right to me. Curious if that is what the certificate says.

Cheers Kris  Smiley

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Re: Mary BALSOM from Launceston Cornwall
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 13 October 09 09:50 UTC (UK) »

The info I have is from a photocopy of the actual register used for recording the details pertaining to the event, so they will be the same as those written onto the death certificate.
I haven't looked for a while, but when I first started my research the original micro fiche were reproductions of the original records.   This is where I have obtained a lot of my registration details.   I know some of what is available now have been transcribed and typed, and this can be frustrating.
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Durham - HARDY Ann, Mary, CLARKE William, Elizabeth, DABRON Robert, Thomas, Rhoda >1853
Tyrone- SEETON George, John; COULTER Mary>1919
Derry - KELLY Daniel b1812 wed in Aust.1849 
Cornwell - Newton on Abbot area SYMON(D)S - George Harvie wife BALSOM(E) Mary b1795
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