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michelle08
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Hi,
Just wondering if anybody could please look up the following families:
Name: William Armstrong
Age: 32
Occupation: Farm labr
Birthplace: Bewcastle, Cumberland
Year: 1839
Ship: FORMOSA
Father: Armstrong, Joseph
Mother: Beatty, Elizabeth
Comments: WITH Family
I am stuck on these two records: Joseph Armstrong married Elizabeth Beatty 1807 Kirklinton and Joseph Armstrong married Elizabeth Baty 1804 Bewcastle. I'm not sure if they are the same family? If somebody could look this up through the BDM and census I would really appreicate it.
Also looking for the census records of Richard William Beatty wife is Elizabeth Black. He was apparently a physician.
Thanks in advance,
Michelle
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robbiesmum
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Hi Michelle
I don't know about the Armstrongs, but Richard William Batty, surgeon, married to Elizabeth Black, lived at Broats in Kirkpatrick Fleming, and both he and Elizabeth had died by the 1841 census - they were both buried at Kirklinton.
cheers
Bridget
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michelle08
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Thank you Bridget!
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robbiesmum
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Hi Michelle
Looking a bit further, there is a William Armstrong baptised at the Scotch Church in Bewcastle in June 1807, son of Joseph and Betty Armstrong. This would fit the age of your William.
Also an MI at Bewcastle church (From the transcript by Mike Jackson)
In memory of Joseph Armstrong, who died at Newcastleton May 3rd. 1848, aged 67 years. Also of Elizabeth, his wife, who died Novr. 7th. 1853, aged 73 years. Also of Thomas, their son, who died at Newcastleton, February 2nd. 1884, aged 69 years.
So perhaps this couple might be in Scotland (possibly Roxburgh) in the census, rather than Bewcastle?
cheers
Bridget
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michelle08
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Hi Bridget,
Yes that is a possibility. Their son William born 1807 came out to Australia with his wife Margaret Beatty in 1839. I am just not sure whether he is the son of the Joseph and Elizabeth that married in Kirklinton or the son of Joseph and Elizabeth who married Bewcastle. It makes it difficult because both Elizabeth's have a maiden name that is either Beatty or variant of Baty, both of which are used interchangeably throughout William's family though it is perhaps just a spelling variation from differences in pronunciation. The only william born at that time that I can see is the one you mentioned at Scotch Church, which is why I wasn't sure if they married twice though it would be a bit strange. The other problem is that the father of Elizabeth Beatty lives around the Kirklinton area. Would you mind, if you have access to the 1841 census of cumberland, doing a search to see where both of these Joseph's are? I really appreciate you assistance in this matter.
Michelle
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robbiesmum
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Hi again!
for the Armstrongs of Kirklinton, on the IGI there is a child Margaret baptised in 1808 at Carlisle, daughter of Joseph Armstrong and Elizabeth Baty.
this child appears to have been buried at Kirklinton:
1809 March 8th Margaret daughter of Joseph Armstrong of Botchergate in the parish of St Cuthberts Carlisle mason and Elizabeth his wife buried
1809 September 18 Elizabeth wife of Joseph Armstrong of Botchergate in the parish of St Cuthberts Carlisle mason buried.
Joseph Armstrong and Elizabeth Baty married 1807 at Kirklinton, described as bachelor and spinster of this parish, so they don't sound like the same couple as at Bewcastle, and appear to have lived in Carlisle not Bewcastle, though I guess Joseph may have moved there after Elizabeth's death. Its possible if William was their son and born in 1807, that he was born before the marriage, so might be on the IGI as a Baty (or Beaty - the spelling is usually irrelevant at this time)
Who was Elizabeth's father - if he lived in the Kirklinton area he might be alive in the 1841 census?
Hope this helps - its not easy tracing Armstrongs in the border area! (I'm stuck with mine)
Bridget
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michelle08
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Hi Bridget,
After you suggested looking in Scotland, I searched the 1861 Census and found his brothers living in scotland. So thank you!!!!
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michelle08
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Hi again!
Yes it is very difficult trying to trace who comes from whom! Again thank you for all your help and wish you good luck in finding your needle in the armstrong haystack!
Kind regards,
Michelle
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robbiesmum
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Hi Michelle
Just looked at the burial register for Kirklinton, it looks like the other Joseph died in 1817:
Page 16 no 126 Armstrong Joseph Brampton Apr 14 1817 35 Widower and mason
Can't find anything in the MIs for that family, though. But if you wan't any other MIs from Kirklinton, just ask, I can do a look up.
I did find the other Joseph Armstrong and wife Elizabeth at Castleton in the 1841 census - no sign of William with them.
Best wishes
Bridget
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