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anthony pearson
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sparrow family
« on: Saturday 10 October 09 11:51 UTC (UK) »
hi
looking for info on the sparrow family we have hit a very big wall we have been looking for info on the
sparrow family for over 20 years
we are from northeast of uk but can not fined info on a alfred michael a sparrow he was a sailor
we can not fined a birth for him in north east
he married a margaret layboune parker in 1909 in gateshead
it has not got the right info on it was made up
any and all info welcomed

we do not know his mother or father

many thanks Huh Huh
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Re: sparrow family
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 10 October 09 11:56 UTC (UK) »
Hi

When he married in 1909 how do you know it's not the right info and made up?

Also can you post all the info you do have to help us in your search

Thanks
Claire
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anthony pearson
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Re: sparrow family
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 10 October 09 12:51 UTC (UK) »
hi
the info he gave  i looked it up in the census records there is no record

all we have is he was a sailor
he married in gateshead in northeast of uk in 1909 to a margaret laybourne parker
they had 7 children born in gateshead from 1910 to 1928

my uncle william (billy) tryed to fined alfred but found nothing he did all the work untill he died
in 1989
my mother say that alfred is in blaydon grave yard i am go to have to have a good look in there
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Re: sparrow family
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 10 October 09 13:02 UTC (UK) »
Hi Anthony

What does he give for his birthplace and occupation/employment on the 1911 census http://www.1911census.co.uk/

What information does he give on his marriage certificate ie. age/address/occupation/name & occupation of father/names of witnesses?

All these little bits just might give a clue somewhere - there are a lot more resources readily availble than there were in 1989.

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Re: sparrow family
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 10 October 09 14:35 UTC (UK) »
hi
alfred but down 10 annies street gateshead ie blaydon on tyne
there is no  10 annies street they
he is a sailor
in 1911 there are
alfred michael a (angelo) sparrow
margaret laybourne (nee parker) sparrow
elizabeth born in 1910 d 1911

there are 6 children from 1912
john b 1912  gateshead
alfred b 1914 gateshead
george b 1917 gateshead
william b 1920 gateshead
edward p b1921 gateshead
dorathy b 1928 gateshead
that is all we have Huh Huh
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Re: sparrow family
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 10 October 09 15:06 UTC (UK) »
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in 1911 there are
alfred michael a (angelo) sparrow
margaret laybourne (nee parker) sparrow
elizabeth born in 1910 d 1911

If you pay to see the image it should tell you where he was born and his employment at the time.  I have played around with the index and he comes up as born London but there may be something else as well as London - have you looked?

Have you seen the actual marriage certificate ie. what does it say about his father Huh

Does it actually say sailor on the marriage certificate rather than mariner?  Sailor would usually signify Royal Navy whilst mariner would usually signify Merchant Navy - not foolproof but possibly a clue.  Do you know within the family whether he was Royal Navy or Merchant Navy ie. what kind of work did he do?

Is there any particular reason why you have posted on the Kent boards Huh

Sorry so many questions but there are often clues out there - we just need to ascertain what they may be.

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anthony pearson
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Re: sparrow family
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 10 October 09 18:45 UTC (UK) »
hi

i have not seen the marrage certificate as we can not fined it in my uncles papers
the family say sailor but will check with family

the family think that he may be from spain or italy as his middle name's
are (michael angelo) the painter Huh

i have posted it on kent boad as when i started to look for him i did a wide census for alfred and a margaret and searched  and it came up with 5or 6
alfred sparrows in and around kent also margaret laybourne parker was in same as alfred when i did a wide search

we do not know there birth dates but my mother said  that margaret died at the age of over 70 and that she is in blaydon grave yard i will have to go and have a look
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anthony pearson
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Re: sparrow family
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 10 October 09 19:14 UTC (UK) »
hi
phoned my mother up she says that alfred was a mariner and that margaret died in 1957/58 aged about 70-75

and that she is not sure if michael angelo is right in his name
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Re: sparrow family
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 10 October 09 20:39 UTC (UK) »
Hi

1911 census

Living with John & Elizabeth Parker at 105 James street Blaydon Gateshead

Alfred Sparrow Son in Law 32 Ships Steward b London
Margaret Sparrow Daughter 23 married 2 Years b Blaydon Durham
Elizabeth Sparrow Grandaughter 7 months b Blaydon Durham

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anthony pearson
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Re: sparrow family
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 10 October 09 20:46 UTC (UK) »
hi

i have just had an e mail from a family member

he say's that
margaret laybourne parker b 1888 he thinks durham  married in 1909  died in 1957 may 1 durham
alfred michael angelo sparrow b 1888 do not know were married in 1909 aged 21 in september
unknow when he died but my mother say's he died before margaret

he thinks that alfred was a mariner as he says that margaret met at a seamans mission
in durham
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anthony pearson
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Re: sparrow family
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 10 October 09 20:55 UTC (UK) »
hi sparkle26

thanks alot we have him as a mariner/sailor
no one said steward
we have been looking for wrong thing for years

many many thanks
now we can look in the right place Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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anthony pearson
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Re: sparrow family
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 10 October 09 20:58 UTC (UK) »
hi
forgot

the e mail is not right then

i will send them a new e mail with this info many thanks Grin
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anthony pearson
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Re: sparrow family
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 11 October 09 18:16 UTC (UK) »
hi claire

can you tell me if alfred has a second name/s

as i have looked on ancestry and can only fined a marrage for
alfred michael a sparrow to a margaret laybourne parker in 1909
the 1909 is right margaret is right
alfred with the middle names i can not fined in london or all census records

we think that he must of been baptised before they married
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anthony pearson
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Re: sparrow family
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 15 October 09 20:33 UTC (UK) »
hi claire

dose it have were in london alfred  was born or is it just london

thanks
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anthony pearson
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Re: sparrow family
« Reply #14 on: Monday 19 October 09 17:41 UTC (UK) »
hi all

can you tell me were some one can train to be a ships stewart
at what age they can start to train
were can i get the info from

alfred sparrow born 1879ish  in london
would he start as a cabin boy ?
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