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Reiver
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Mill Bank, Rochdale
« on: Saturday 10 October 09 11:55 UTC (UK) »

Could anyone tell me, please. where Mill Bank was in the Township of Butterworth, Rochdale?

Sarah Ainsworth of that address married Frederick Law in 1838.  Her father was Edward Ainsworth.  Up to 1827 they had lived at Wicken Hall at Ogden when Edward sold it.

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Re: Mill Bank, Rochdale
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 11 October 09 21:37 UTC (UK) »

Hi,

I have found a Mill Bank to the NE of Rochdale between Littleborough and Sowerby Bridge  Huh

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&cr=countryUK%7CcountryGB&q=millbank%20rochdale&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl

There is also some information on Genuki relating to Butterworth:-

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LAN/Butterworth/

Sorry its not much.

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Re: Mill Bank, Rochdale
« Reply #2 on: Monday 12 October 09 18:03 UTC (UK) »

Many thanks Luzzu for your help.

Initially I was expecting it to be South of Rochdale.  However looking at other bits of information I have suggest it may well be where you have found it.

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Re: Mill Bank, Rochdale
« Reply #3 on: Monday 12 October 09 18:28 UTC (UK) »

Any indicator of where in Mill Bank it was?
I could have a look when I walk the dog.
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Re: Mill Bank, Rochdale
« Reply #4 on: Monday 12 October 09 21:00 UTC (UK) »

Thanks Pauline
I think I have found it on the 1860 OS Map at ot about where Luzzu logged ir.  I have a feeling it may have been a single property.  In fact using the link to Mill Bank that Luzzu gave Google provides a couple of adverts for The Mill Bank (Restaurant).

Could this be it?  Will you thank your dog too if he finds it? Smiley Wink

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Re: Mill Bank, Rochdale
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 13 October 09 10:09 UTC (UK) »

I'd have said it was about 6 miles from Butterworth to Mill Bank o'er the tops, so not totally unreasonable to have gone over there to wed if you didn't take to the Halifax minister (3 miles to Halifax Parish Church).
Not that many substantial-sized buildings in it from that era though.

No clue as to the name of the place in Mill Bank though?
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Re: Mill Bank, Rochdale
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 13 October 09 10:24 UTC (UK) »

Where did they marry?
Sorry- just found it in Rochdale but that only says Registrar attended so was it perhaps Butterworh?
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Re: Mill Bank, Rochdale
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 13 October 09 10:30 UTC (UK) »

Hi,

I have not found anything else on Mill Bank but I did find this which might be of interest for you  Huh.

[PDF] BUTTERWORTH HALL IN 1840.' CHAPTER XVII. bfd J5ouaea and ecd ...  File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML
WICKEN HALL. None of the houses in the Haugh or Ogden are of very great antiquity, a large portion of the land being waste and common until comparatively ...
www.link4life.org/.../C542D176-B771-B43F-7265D85A9CF9133E.pdf - Similar

Sorry I can't get the link to work  Roll Eyes but if you "Google" Wicken Hall, Ogden and look for something like the above in the results you will have not trouble finding it and the link should work from Google

It is an extract from a book about old houses and old families and on page 46 of the PDF it does mention Wicken Hall and the Ainsworth family.

Just thought it would be of interest.

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Re: Mill Bank, Rochdale
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 13 October 09 10:33 UTC (UK) »

Hi Luzzu,

I was just going to look for that - I had read it the other day when I first started looking. Wink
I think it said in there that someone died at Pit Bank near Oldham (this is from memory though).
Also in 1841 Edward Ainsworth and family are next door to the Laws in Salford - is that the father, Reiver?
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Re: Mill Bank, Rochdale
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 13 October 09 10:50 UTC (UK) »

I have seen all the baptisms at Ogden, so even if they moved away, they have used the church as a family church.
Eliza, born 1831 shows Manchester as place of birth on 1851 census.

1851 HO107; Piece: 2241; Folio: 452; Page: 34

Pit Bank House Oldham

Eliza Ainsworth niece 19 yrs b Manchester
Penelope Parker 21 yrs house servant b Newcastle
Rosa Ann Book 26 yrs  -do- b Yorkshire

The entry above- with a line drawn to separate from this entry, is for:
Bank Street
Hannah Seville Annuitant b Leeds with a daughter and 2 sons.

I'm not sure that this entry is anything to do with Eliza and I may be digressing anyway or totally off track- sorry.  Roll Eyes

(I was really trying to find out where the Ainsworths were giving as their place of birth on censuses).
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Re: Mill Bank, Rochdale
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 13 October 09 11:04 UTC (UK) »

I'll try to stop now.
In the article, I think it said that Edward died at Pit Bank. ** Just re-read the article- it says that Edward sold Wicken Hall to James Grimshaw and Edward died 1841 at Pit Bank. However, with this large family, Reiver, I don't know if this is your Edward or an uncle.

The following then relates to the Edward who is living beside Sarah and Frederick Law in 1841 in Salford.
I have found two of the other daughters of Edward, I think, living with Jesse Ainsworth and wife in Birkenhead in 1851. Ellen is born Rochdale and Ann F is born Manchester.
No relationship is given but they are 'gentlewomen' and he is an 'esquire' as occupations.
141 has Jesse and Hannah living at Pit Bank, Oldham so for my part, as an Oldhamer, the mystery is solved.
Sadly, though - not for Mill Bank. Undecided
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Re: Mill Bank, Rochdale
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 13 October 09 12:54 UTC (UK) »

Many many thanks to you all  for becoming involved in the quest  Smiley Smiley

Edward Ainsworth and family lived at Wicken Hall as did his father before him. Sarah - who married Frederick Law - was his eldest child.  Wicken Hall was sold in 1827 and Edward died in late 1841.  He, his wife and members of the family are buried in the chapel graveyard of the Ogden Particular Baptist Chapel of which they were members.
Mention has been made of Jesse Ainsworth. He was Edward's brother and lived at Pit Bank (Hall), Oldham. 

Sarah married Frederick Law in June 1838.
She was living 'Mill Bank in the township of Butterworth'
He was living at 'Hamer Cottage in the township of Wardle and Wardle
The marriage took place in 'The Providence Chapel, District of Rochdale'

I knew that Pit Bank was a large property so thought that Mill Bank may be as well.  I thought that maybe Mill Bank was where Edward and family were living after being at Wicken Hall.   Is the Mill Bank found too near Sowerby Bridge to be in Butterworth township?

I have found (in 1841)  Edward and family living next door to Frederick Law and family at Ordsall Terrace, Salford.

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Re: Mill Bank, Rochdale
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 13 October 09 15:24 UTC (UK) »

Hi again,
I was hoping that Mill Bank was mistaken for Pit Bank when she married but as she states Butterworth it doesn't look like it.
However, a puzzle is that the younger children in Edward's family state that they were born in Manchester- and that is around 1827-1831.
However, they could have moved back.
I wonder if there is anything in their baptism records with an 'address'. Parish records are so varied - some give lots of details- others the bare minimum.
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Re: Mill Bank, Rochdale
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 13 October 09 15:42 UTC (UK) »

Hi,

I did check the 1841 and 51 street indexes for Rochdale which includes Butterworth and there was no Mill Bank listed.  Cry

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Re: Mill Bank, Rochdale
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 13 October 09 16:07 UTC (UK) »

In Pigot and Slater's 1841 Directory of Manchester and Salford, in the Rochdale section of the directory, Edward Ainsworth, flannel manufacturer is listed at Mill Bank.  There are no other entries for Mill Bank, which suggests that it is a single property rather than a hamlet. 

I found this on www.historicaldirectories.org
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