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Reiver
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Re: Mill Bank, Rochdale
« Reply #30 on: Tuesday 20 October 09 11:45 UTC (UK) »
Thanks Heywood
I knew that he was born in 1839 in Rochdale - but not where.
When I started many years ago I was given lots of details information by my mother's cousin.  This was well before it became relatively easy to obtain certificates via computers.
Certificates then cost £13 each  Smiley Smiley

You did say that the Ainsworth children claimed to have been born in Manchester.  Which branch was this?  Certainly I know that Abraham Stott and at least one one of his daughters lived in South Manchester in the early 1900s.

Still, Hamer Hall is becoming more intriguing.  I know that Edward Ainsworth may well have had financial difficulties well before he sold Wicken Hall in 1827.  But to move to Hamer Hall???.    I believe it was 'Hamer Hall and Mill'.  I wonder whether Mill Bank (mill bank) was a property associated with the Mill at Hamer.  The Mill house?

Obviously more to find out.  I do have one or two sources that may come good at the end of this week  Smiley

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Reiver
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heywood
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Re: Mill Bank, Rochdale
« Reply #31 on: Tuesday 20 October 09 14:45 UTC (UK) »
Hello again,
I wondered the same too re Hamer/Mill Bank but can't find evidence. I went through the district covering Hamer Hall in 1851 but couldn't see anything re Mill Bank nor Hamer Cottage where Frederick Law was living. Lots of Hamer... houses for workers though on census.
Browsing 'Hamer Cottage' on internet reveals rehabilitation care home - in the right area but I assume rebuilt now.
There is this on Old Maps http://www.old-maps.co.uk/IndexMapPage2.aspx -you can see Hamer Hall/Mill/New Mill etc.

Re births:
1841 has Edward Ainsworth and family in next entry to Frederick Law and Sarah.
Of those children -see earlier posts:
1851- Eliza Ainsworth 19 yrs niece - born Manchester   living  at Pit Bank

1851 HO107; Piece: 2175; Folio: 208; Page: 56

(Lodgers in Birkenhead)
Ellen Ainsworth 23 yrs b Rochdale
Ann F -do- 22 yrs b Manchester

(with Jesse and Hannah Ainsworth)

the birthplaces of Ann and Eliza (the two youngest) indicate that the family may be in the Manchester area by 1830 ish although the baptisms are at Ogden still.

However Frederick and Sarah both seem to be in Rochdale area in 1838 - He in Hamer and her Butterworth. Now I think from reading that Butterworth/ Weurdle and Wardle abut each other in areas - intriguing  Cheesy
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heywood
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Re: Mill Bank, Rochdale
« Reply #32 on: Tuesday 20 October 09 14:49 UTC (UK) »
Hello again,
I wondered the same too re Hamer/Mill Bank but can't find evidence. I went through the district covering Hamer Hall in 1851 but couldn't see anything re Mill Bank nor Hamer Cottage where Frederick Law was living. Lots of Hamer... houses for workers though on census.
Browsing 'Hamer Cottage' on internet reveals rehabilitation care home - in the right area but I assume rebuilt now.
There is this on Old Maps http://www.old-maps.co.uk/IndexMapPage2.aspx -you can see Hamer Hall/Mill/New Mill etc.

Re births:
1841 has Edward Ainsworth and family in next entry to Frederick Law and Sarah.
Of those children -see earlier posts:
1851- Eliza Ainsworth 19 yrs niece - born Manchester   living  at Pit Bank

1851 HO107; Piece: 2175; Folio: 208; Page: 56

(Lodgers in Birkenhead)
Ellen Ainsworth 23 yrs b Rochdale
Ann F -do- 22 yrs b Manchester

(with Jesse and Hannah Ainsworth)

the birthplaces of Ann and Eliza (the two youngest) indicate that the family may be in the Manchester area by 1830 ish although the baptisms are at Ogden still.

However Frederick and Sarah both seem to be in Rochdale area in 1838 - He in Hamer and her Butterworth. Now I think from reading that Butterworth/ Weurdle and Wardle abut each other in areas - intriguing  Cheesy

Who were the witnesses at Frederick and Sarah's marriage? Do they offer any clues? I was thinking that if she was staying with someone other than her parents, she may have them as a witness  Undecided
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Re: Mill Bank, Rochdale
« Reply #33 on: Tuesday 20 October 09 20:00 UTC (UK) »
Hello Reiver,

I don't know how wide you are casting your net but just an update on Ann F, Sarah's sister. Also you may have it from your relative but I found it interesting -being an Oldhamer  Grin

1829- Ann Francis baptised Ogden
(I've already given her in 1841 and 1851)

1858- Marriage Ann Frances Ainsworth to James Yates

1861 RG9; Piece: 3018; Folio: 105; Page: 24
living with uncle Jesse and Hannah Ainsworth (James is a medical student)
Anne F born Salford 1832  Huh

1871 RG10; Piece: 4101; Folio: 23; Page: 39
Annie T born 1829 Salford
James is a General Practitioner Graduate of Aberdeen

1881 RG11; Piece: 4079; Folio: 123; Page: 30
James is the Mayor of Oldham  Cheesy  Married but no sign of Ann

1891 RG12; Piece: 3309; Folio 116; Page 31
James is married but - no sign of Ann

and the same for 1901.

They are living at Pit Bank all the time.
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Re: Mill Bank, Rochdale
« Reply #34 on: Wednesday 21 October 09 11:41 UTC (UK) »
Thanks Heywood for the extra detail.

As a Oldhamer (Old Hamer  Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley  )you may wish to find out more about Jesse and Hannah who were at Pit Bank.  If you do a visit to Oldham Library may be in order.  It is a long time since I have been and so cataloguing / indexing may be completely different. But is was from the library that I found various newspaper articles about his 'antics' in and around.  I know also he wed Hannah at Gretna Green.  I think Edward had the foresight(?) to make her a Ward of Court and Jesse got into trouble.

Just a thought  Smiley Smiley

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Reiver
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