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Re: Mill Bank, Rochdale
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 13 October 09 20:30 UTC (UK) »

That's good news alpine cottage  Wink Just have to find it now  Cheesy

I eventually found it at that reference but you can't really tell whether it is just a business address or home address - do you think that?
Also it doesn't say where in Rochdale area it is, so I wonder if it wasn't in Butterworth township  Undecided
We know anyway that in 1841 he was living in Salford and died the same year in Oldham so ...

Reiver - do you have his death certificate? I suppose though it would only have place of death rather than an address.

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Re: Mill Bank, Rochdale
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 13 October 09 20:46 UTC (UK) »



Between 1827 and 1831 when their last child was born, all were baptised at Ogden Baptist Chapel.  Did you find them locally, Heywood?

Finding Edward Ainsworth at Mill Bank in Rochdale in the 1841  Directory suggests that the Mill Bank near Sowerby Bridge is not the right one.
I understand Directories may well be maybe a year out of date and so for 1841 read say 1840.  It is beginning to look as though Mill Bank in Rochdale was home to Sarah, her parents and her brothers and sisters. She would be about 22 when she married in 1838 and she was the eldest.

Perhaps an email to Touchstones Library at Rochdale may resolve the whereabouts of Mill Bank.

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Re: Mill Bank, Rochdale
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 13 October 09 20:52 UTC (UK) »

I found the baptisms in Family Search and then I was checking the census info for places of birth. The younger ones give Manchester, although they were baptised at Ogden which makes me think that it was the family church even if they weren't living in the immediate area.
When I was reading earlier, Henry (?) Kelsall who was married to Lydia Ainsworth (mentioned in that book extract) was a benefactor of the new Ogden chapel even though Henry and Lydia lived in the centre of Rochdale. (I just tell this anecdote to support my theory that Edward was living away for quite some time. - Could be totally off track though  Wink)

I think an email to Library would be good and if possible if they could just check one of the later baptisms to see if there is an address.

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Re: Mill Bank, Rochdale
« Reply #18 on: Tuesday 13 October 09 20:55 UTC (UK) »

- - - - - and again  Smiley Smiley I've just spotted Heywood's latest post.

No, I havn't got Edward's death certificate. I've always felt comfortable with my Ainsworth family - date of death and where.  Instead got those I'm less sure of  Smiley Smiley

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Re: Mill Bank, Rochdale
« Reply #19 on: Tuesday 13 October 09 20:58 UTC (UK) »

- - - - - and again  Smiley Smiley I've just spotted Heywood's latest post.

No, I havn't got Edward's death certificate. I've always felt comfortable with my Ainsworth family - date of death and where.  Instead got those I'm less sure of  Smiley Smiley

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Reiver

Oh I don't want to make you feel uncomfortable with your family  Grin Grin Grin
(All this just to find a house/place)  Roll Eyes
I love it  Wink
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Re: Mill Bank, Rochdale
« Reply #20 on: Tuesday 13 October 09 21:59 UTC (UK) »


I eventually found it at that reference but you can't really tell whether it is just a business address or home address - do you think that?
Also it doesn't say where in Rochdale area it is, so I wonder if it wasn't in Butterworth township  Undecided

No, you can't tell if it's home or business, but it was obviously a well enough known place that anyone using the directory would have known where to find Mill Bank.  I don't know Rochdale and Butterworth, but at the top of that page in the directory, it says Rochdale and the following surrounding areas, then lists several other places, but not Butterworth.  I suppose you could look at the total area covered by that Rochdale section and see if Butterworth lies within or outside it.  Yes, you are correct that the entry would have been submitted for the directory in 1840, but you wouldn't put an entry into a directory if you planned very soon after to move house.  Also, all the census for 1841 tells you is that on census night they were in Salford and the death cert registration district tells you that the death was (or should have) occured in that registration district - he may not have died at home in his own bed  Grin

Talking of which, I'm off to mine now!
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Re: Mill Bank, Rochdale
« Reply #21 on: Tuesday 13 October 09 23:16 UTC (UK) »

Yes you are right I am making too many assumptions perhaps  Shocked
However as the children were born Manchester, I was assuming that the family lived in or around there.
It has been documented that he died at Pit Bank House which was the home of his brother - which as you say he may have been visiting.
Mo couldn't find Mill Bank in street directory which points to it being a single building/house.

Good night  Grin
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Re: Mill Bank, Rochdale
« Reply #22 on: Tuesday 13 October 09 23:42 UTC (UK) »

Hi

Is Bank Mill, Middleton too far over?   (Thomas Ashton, 1829).

In this publication, Jesse Ainsworth, gentleman, is again at Pitt Bank, Oldham.  (Pigot's 1829).

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Re: Mill Bank, Rochdale
« Reply #23 on: Wednesday 14 October 09 10:28 UTC (UK) »

I'm not sure where the reference to Alpine fits in this thread. Does it have anything to do with the Alpine restaurant an old house on the road between Ogden and Denshaw ?
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Re: Mill Bank, Rochdale
« Reply #24 on: Wednesday 14 October 09 10:31 UTC (UK) »

I'm not sure where the reference to Alpine fits in this thread. Does it have anything to do with the Alpine restaurant an old house on the road between Ogden and Denshaw ?

 Cheesy I was going to ask the same until I saw that Alpine doesn't know Rochdale or Butterworth. I would imagine that the building would have been Butterworth or very close to it anyway.
Are you in the area? We are just down the road from Denshaw towards Oldham.
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Re: Mill Bank, Rochdale
« Reply #25 on: Wednesday 14 October 09 12:50 UTC (UK) »

Hi Heywood
I'm round the corner on Buckstones Rd
Sue
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Re: Mill Bank, Rochdale
« Reply #26 on: Wednesday 14 October 09 16:54 UTC (UK) »

Hello neighbour  Grin

(I'm Moorside - a bit closer to Derker than you  and therefore Pit Bank House which sadly is no longer there  Sad)
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Re: Mill Bank, Rochdale
« Reply #27 on: Monday 19 October 09 21:32 UTC (UK) »

I have been in touch with the local studies library at Rochdale but unfortunately they are unable to locate Mill Bank.

They were able however to add to my knowledge of the Ainsworts in the 1820s.  It seems that they were at Hamer Hall - certainly in 1823.

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Re: Mill Bank, Rochdale
« Reply #28 on: Monday 19 October 09 22:31 UTC (UK) »

Hello Reiver,

that's a pity  Sad  On the other hand, now you know a bit more  Cheesy

There's not much about Hamer Hall by browsing but I have found Hamer Hall in 1851 - occupied by Thornton Littlewood and family (Flannel Manufacturer, Firm of 2 employing 192 men, 135 women, 12 boys, 26 girls.
At the same address but separate entry is a Richard Hurst and family, Cotton Spinner, Firm of 1 employing 40 men, 85 women, 41 boys, 35 girls.

Wonder what 'Firm of 2' etc means?

Looking Thornton L up in 1841, the address just says 'Howarth Cross'. I tried finding Hamer Hall etc by looking for other people in area, but they are at H C too  Undecided    Same place?  Huh
Howarth Cross seems to be on border of Butterworth. Hope that Mo may be able to look into this with street index.

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heywood
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Re: Mill Bank, Rochdale
« Reply #29 on: Monday 19 October 09 22:52 UTC (UK) »

I know I place great emphasis on the fact that the younger Ainsworth children have Manchester as place of birth, although baptised in Ogden.
However, Frederick and Sarah Law's child, Frederick was born 1839 in Rochdale.
Lancashire BMD has his birth as sub-registration district Wuerdle and Wardle which covered Hamer and you said that Frederick was living in Hamer Cottage at the time of marriage.
Just for information  Roll Eyes
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