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buddha
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Lee Brick Wall
« on: Saturday 10 October 09 13:39 UTC (UK) »

I am looking for a Mary Ann Lee in the 1871 census.  I have her in all the others but can,t find her in this one.  She should also have a daughter with her named Ann born C1870.  Mary herself was born C1850 in Sheffield and in the other census,s she was in Sheffield.  On her marriage certificate in 1865 she gives her age as 22yrs which conflicts with her ages in the census,s.  According to the age of her in the census,s she would have only been 15yrs old when she married.( Can,t really understand this).   In the 1871 census her husband was lodging at a residence in Halifax as he was a journeyman plasterer.  Heeeeeeeeelp please, Regards Pat  COMPLETED
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SHEFFIELD:  hobson, bacon, pashley, sharman, brook(s) brooke(s), wilford, slingsby, lee, flint, fowlston(e), Foulston(e), wheatley, taylor, ward.
RAVENSTONEDALE/KENDAL:  udall
MALTON: udall, ruddock, hudson
WOLVERHAMPTON/STOKE ON TRENT: brook(s), brooke(s)
DONCASTER:  slingsby, bagshaw, steph(v)enson, scofield, foster, pashley, stanley.
DERBY: lee
BRADFORD: wilford
ROTHERHAM: straw, frost, shaw, higgins, fowlston(e), foulston(e), flint, pashley, hobson
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Re: Lee Brick Wall
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 10 October 09 13:47 UTC (UK) »

Give us the censuses which you do have.
Include all persons, and give refs.

Pauline
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Re: Lee Brick Wall
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 10 October 09 13:48 UTC (UK) »

Oh, and all details from the marrige cert too. That includes witnesses.
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Re: Lee Brick Wall
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 10 October 09 13:54 UTC (UK) »

Hello Pat,

Where was daughter Ann born?

Where do you expect Mary Ann and Ann to be living in 1871?
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Re: Lee Brick Wall
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 10 October 09 14:03 UTC (UK) »

1851 census: RG number H0107 folio 170 page 37.  8, Welcks Court Sheffield.  Thomas Kelly 26yrs, elizh Kelly 22yrs and Mary Ann 1yr.
1861 census: RG number RG09 Piece 3484, folio 79, page 14.  26, Hollis Croft, Sheffield. Michael Hogan 30yrs, ann Hogan 28yrs, Elizabeth Hogan 1yr, Patrick Ryan 20yrs,  Thomas Kelly 34yrs, Mary Ann Kelly 11yrs, Ann Kelly 22

These are the first two I have done.  Mary Ann was born in Sheffield and I would expect her to still be in Sheffield. Sorry Ann was born in Sheffield
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SHEFFIELD:  hobson, bacon, pashley, sharman, brook(s) brooke(s), wilford, slingsby, lee, flint, fowlston(e), Foulston(e), wheatley, taylor, ward.
RAVENSTONEDALE/KENDAL:  udall
MALTON: udall, ruddock, hudson
WOLVERHAMPTON/STOKE ON TRENT: brook(s), brooke(s)
DONCASTER:  slingsby, bagshaw, steph(v)enson, scofield, foster, pashley, stanley.
DERBY: lee
BRADFORD: wilford
ROTHERHAM: straw, frost, shaw, higgins, fowlston(e), foulston(e), flint, pashley, hobson
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Re: Lee Brick Wall
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 10 October 09 14:10 UTC (UK) »

Thanks Pat,
I will see if I can find her.
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Re: Lee Brick Wall
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 10 October 09 14:19 UTC (UK) »

What have the Kelly census to do with Lee?
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Re: Lee Brick Wall
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 10 October 09 14:22 UTC (UK) »

Marriage Certificate:  19th Dec 1965 St Vincents, Sheffield.  John Lee age 20yrs Plasterer Journeyman .Address Court 9 Hollis Croft Sheffield. Father William Lee a labourer.  Mary Ann Kelly 20yrs, spinster, address 36 Hollis Croft. Father thomas Kelly, grocers porter.  Witnesses:  John McDonald and Kate Lee (husbands sister)  I still can,t work out the ae difference.  I know I have got the right person.  But why would she lie about her age, I don,t know.  Mary,s maiden name was Kelly as you will see from the above.  Her father was Thomas and she also had a son Thomas, who I have found living with grandparents in the 1871 census aged 4yrs
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SHEFFIELD:  hobson, bacon, pashley, sharman, brook(s) brooke(s), wilford, slingsby, lee, flint, fowlston(e), Foulston(e), wheatley, taylor, ward.
RAVENSTONEDALE/KENDAL:  udall
MALTON: udall, ruddock, hudson
WOLVERHAMPTON/STOKE ON TRENT: brook(s), brooke(s)
DONCASTER:  slingsby, bagshaw, steph(v)enson, scofield, foster, pashley, stanley.
DERBY: lee
BRADFORD: wilford
ROTHERHAM: straw, frost, shaw, higgins, fowlston(e), foulston(e), flint, pashley, hobson
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Re: Lee Brick Wall
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 10 October 09 14:30 UTC (UK) »

1881 census: Nether Hallam.

John Lee     34
Mary Ann Lee    32
Thomas Lee    14 b sheffield (why didn't he  get a mention(?)
Ann Lee    11 b sheffield
Mary Lee    9
William Lee    4
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Re: Lee Brick Wall
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 10 October 09 14:32 UTC (UK) »

1871.

Class: RG10; Piece: 4682; Folio: 128; Page: 24
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Re: Lee Brick Wall
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 10 October 09 14:36 UTC (UK) »

1881 Census:   Ref RG11/4622 folio 9, page 9.  John Lee 34yrs, Ann Lee 11yrs, John Lee 4yrs, Mary Lee 9yrs, Mary Ann Lee 32yrs, Thomas Lee 14yrs, william Lee 4yrs.  Address 29 Addy Street, Sheffield. Registration District, Ecclesall Bierlow, Civil Parish Nether Hallam

1891 Census:  Ref: RG12/3818  folio 12, page 17.  John Lee 45yrs, Mary Ann Lee 44yrs, Thomas Lee 24yrs, William Lee 14yrs, Kate Lee 9yrs, Elizabeth Lee 6yrs, John Lee 4yrs and Edward Lee 8months.

1901 Census:   Ref:RG13/4365, Folio 58, page 19. Mary A Lee 50yrs, William Lee 24yrs, Kate Lee 19yrs, Elizabeth Lee 16yrs, John Lee 15yrs, Edward Lee 10yrs.

Just finished this so thought I would send it.  Did Mention Thomas living with Grandparents.  Will have a look now at your last message.  Thanks Pat
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SHEFFIELD:  hobson, bacon, pashley, sharman, brook(s) brooke(s), wilford, slingsby, lee, flint, fowlston(e), Foulston(e), wheatley, taylor, ward.
RAVENSTONEDALE/KENDAL:  udall
MALTON: udall, ruddock, hudson
WOLVERHAMPTON/STOKE ON TRENT: brook(s), brooke(s)
DONCASTER:  slingsby, bagshaw, steph(v)enson, scofield, foster, pashley, stanley.
DERBY: lee
BRADFORD: wilford
ROTHERHAM: straw, frost, shaw, higgins, fowlston(e), foulston(e), flint, pashley, hobson
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Re: Lee Brick Wall
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 10 October 09 14:41 UTC (UK) »

Not sure but I wonder if this may be them?
RG10/4684/45/35
boarding with the Ibboston family in Howard St. Sheffield?

Mistranscribed as "daughter" but definitely "boarder" on the image.

Only thing is both are Ann Lee but I wonder if one might be your Mary Ann. She is aged 25 and young Ann is transcribed as 10 months.
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buddha
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Re: Lee Brick Wall
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 10 October 09 14:53 UTC (UK) »

Pauline the reference you gave me for the 1871 census is the one I,ve got living with his grandparent and aunties.  Ruskie, I suppose it is a possibility.  Shame that they told so many fibs about their ages.  Or maybe then again they didn,t know so just guessed. 
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SHEFFIELD:  hobson, bacon, pashley, sharman, brook(s) brooke(s), wilford, slingsby, lee, flint, fowlston(e), Foulston(e), wheatley, taylor, ward.
RAVENSTONEDALE/KENDAL:  udall
MALTON: udall, ruddock, hudson
WOLVERHAMPTON/STOKE ON TRENT: brook(s), brooke(s)
DONCASTER:  slingsby, bagshaw, steph(v)enson, scofield, foster, pashley, stanley.
DERBY: lee
BRADFORD: wilford
ROTHERHAM: straw, frost, shaw, higgins, fowlston(e), foulston(e), flint, pashley, hobson
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Re: Lee Brick Wall
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 10 October 09 15:06 UTC (UK) »

Well, the family seem to be boarding quite a lot, so may not have had much of a say when it came to giving the information on the censuses.  Undecided

You would think that at least the 1851 and 1861 would be correct though ....
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Re: Lee Brick Wall
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 10 October 09 15:11 UTC (UK) »

I am just trying to sort through all my paperwork for the Lee family and have just noticed that the 1871 census that ruskie suggested, boarding with the Ibbotson Family.  Well looking at the full transcript for the 1901 census just above Mary A and family it looks like there is an Ibbotson family there.  So Possibly Ruskie is right.
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SHEFFIELD:  hobson, bacon, pashley, sharman, brook(s) brooke(s), wilford, slingsby, lee, flint, fowlston(e), Foulston(e), wheatley, taylor, ward.
RAVENSTONEDALE/KENDAL:  udall
MALTON: udall, ruddock, hudson
WOLVERHAMPTON/STOKE ON TRENT: brook(s), brooke(s)
DONCASTER:  slingsby, bagshaw, steph(v)enson, scofield, foster, pashley, stanley.
DERBY: lee
BRADFORD: wilford
ROTHERHAM: straw, frost, shaw, higgins, fowlston(e), foulston(e), flint, pashley, hobson
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