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Topic: Experienced Rootschatters....any advice, please? (Read 421 times)
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bronnie
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I need to try and prove a connection between my gt grandfather (know him from age 24 in 1891) and the person I believe to be him and his birth family in 1871 and 1881.
I have arrived at this family through painstaking process of elimination (very common Welsh name)over a couple of years and information from marriage and death certificates, plus a gut feeling that things 'fit'!
I have researched this supposed birth family backwards and sideways (IYKWIM!), they were originally in Bangor then Conwy and have found a new contact in each case, although neither go beyond 1881 with him either. I had a tiny hope there might be some family anecdotal evidence in each case, but it seems not.
In 1891, he was living as a boarder in Dolwyddelan working as a quarryman , married and settled in Blaenau Ffestiniog until his death in 1935. I do not recall mention of any relatives from his side of the family in my family anecdotal history, so the impression I have is that ties with his birth family were broken.
My question really is can anyone think of any ways I might be able to connect the 2? I haven't tried to locate his grave yet, was it possible birthdates as well as dates of death were recorded on gravestones and I could match up with the birth quarter for a start?
He would have been 48 when WW1 started, so I imagine this would have been too old for a military record.
Any suggestions for paths of investigation most gratefully received.
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Slowly losing my mind researching the surnames of my paternal grandparents' families!
Hughes. Bangor, Blaenau Ffestiniog, Birkenhead, Liverpool
Roberts. Bedgellert, Dolwyddelan, Blaenau Ffestiniog
Williams. Dolwyddelan, Blaenau Ffestiniog, Holyhead
Jones. Holyhead, Birkenhead, Liverpool
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Peterej
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Hello Bron
Not sure what I can come up with but if you would care to pm me with the details I will see what I can do.
Peter
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Jones, Edwards, Davies, Owen, Benjamin , Hughes , Roberts,Thomas,Williams, Wynne , Griffiths, Howells, Rowlands etc etc plus Thomas,Trewren,Holmes,Thirlwall,Jones again & again & more "This information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk" |
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PrueM
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Hi bronnie 
Can you give us this person's name, and the page references for the census returns you think might be him?
It's more useful for others if we keep the conversations on the open boards, rather than by PM - that way everyone can join in and others in future can find your information in web searches.
Cheers
Prue
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I live in NSW, and am researching:
BALFOUR (Derry) – BIGG (Kent) – BONSALL (DBY, NTT, CHS) – BRISBANE (Fife) – DANKS (STS) – DOBSON (BRK) – FRANCIS (ESS) – GOODE (HAM) – HAYNES (Cork) – INGRAM (MDX, SOM) – LANGWORTHY (Jersey, DEV) – MCKAY (Fife, Aberdeen, Banff, Moray) – MORRISH (LND) – NANCARROW (CON) – OGILVIE (Moray, LND) – STRATHDEE (LND, Banff) - SWAN (Fife)
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bronnie
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Ah! Thank you both for your replies.
What I was hoping for would be any advice for possible paths of investigation that I might follow. Ideally that might lead to me finding my Gt Grandfathers date of birth!!
I am fine with my research as far as Census returns and BMD records are concerned, but my research skills weakness is knowing which way to go 'on the ground' so to speak.
For example, I was wondering what sort of information was held as a burial record (died 1935) and where this might be held for a person who died in Blaenau Ffestiniog and was preumably buried there. I image they were chapel-goers, would there be any useful info that might be available in chapel records?
I am loathe to give you the actual details, (although I have posted about him before) as the names are extremely common, the family unexceptional (in the nicest possible way!) and I certainly don't expect you kind folk to embark on a search on my behalf!!
The Hughes name is the cross I have to bear!! I am prepared to put in the work if I only where to look next.
With best wishes
Bron
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Slowly losing my mind researching the surnames of my paternal grandparents' families!
Hughes. Bangor, Blaenau Ffestiniog, Birkenhead, Liverpool
Roberts. Bedgellert, Dolwyddelan, Blaenau Ffestiniog
Williams. Dolwyddelan, Blaenau Ffestiniog, Holyhead
Jones. Holyhead, Birkenhead, Liverpool
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Mair
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Having been a Hughes myself I know how you feel
descended from Jones too - so that also a bit of a journey.....
However, have you tried various "sideways" moves - going through any quarry records - if your ancestor was in the quarry - and yes the gravestones can be a bonus or not depends how much money was around or good grace between the family and the stone mason..... evidence for that is a family line of mine in Llanberis - a very wet walk with brolly/gamp and a plastic freezer bag for my notebook and pen last year - did not find any direct line but found ooodles of "side" lines to look into around the graveyard. in the initial search to find the social side of the area I " goo - searched" the village as a thread to find out what sites were local and learnt the history to then go and find the actual places i knew of and then got more questions after I went after the answers! - as always.
Good Hunting
Ps i think the general public call it grasping at straws - but its a good game!
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Arranroots
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Hi Bronnie
If searching for specifics is hard with HUGHES then searching without them is impossible! 
Have you gone the route of baby's birth cert -> marriage cert and father's name -> birth possiilities?
Kind regards, Arranroots 
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Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SOM: BIRD, BURT aka BROWN HEF: BAUGH, LATHAM, CARTER, PRITCHARD GLS: WEBB, WORKMAN, LATHAM, MALPUS WIL: WEBB, SALTER RAD: PRITCHARD, WILLIAMS GLA: RYAN, KEARNEY, JONES, HARRY MON: WEBB, MORGAN, WILLIAMS, JONES, BIRD SCOTLAND: HASTINGS, CAMERON, KELSO, BUCHANAN, BETHUNE/ BEATON IRELAND: RYAN (WATERFORD), KEARNEY (DUBLIN), BOYLE(DUNDALK) |
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bronnie
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Yay! Thank you! this is what I need!
Mair....glad you understand! Think I hit the jackpot with my paternal grandparents' families. Full house of Roberts, Jones, Hughes and Williams! I didn't know about about quarry records. The family were in Oakley Terrace, Bl FFfest. in 1901, which could indicate he worked at Oakley quarry then I suppose. Is there a central resource for quarry records? I am happy to come and do some more wandering round around the area....any excuse for spa break (sorry, genealogical research trip) at the Quay in Deganwy!
Arranroots.......I have the marriage cert for my gt grandfather. I did use this to get to what I believe to be the birth family. I suppose I am encouraged by the fact that the 2 people I have been in touch with via Genes Reunited and Ancestry from this family show my 'supposed' grandfather on their tree,have no info for him after 1881. At least that doesn't eliminate' the family as a probability.
alpinecottage.......another new lead, thank you. Never heard of the Gale archive either. Will check out next week. Peter , who initially responded to this thread, recently kindly shared some very interesting newspaper archive info re a mutual family member , so I know if one knows where to look there are some potential gems out there. I have a Roberts "cousin" who will help with translation.
Thank you all so much, folks. This is exactly what I needed. Any more suggestions esp re burial records in Bl Ffestiniog, gratefully received!
Thanks
Bronwen
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Slowly losing my mind researching the surnames of my paternal grandparents' families!
Hughes. Bangor, Blaenau Ffestiniog, Birkenhead, Liverpool
Roberts. Bedgellert, Dolwyddelan, Blaenau Ffestiniog
Williams. Dolwyddelan, Blaenau Ffestiniog, Holyhead
Jones. Holyhead, Birkenhead, Liverpool
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Mair
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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The two most useful places i have found on line are gwynedd archives and gathering the jewels websites.
http://www.gwynedd.gov.uk/gwy_doc.asp?cat=3693&doc=12971&Language=1
http://www.gtj.org.uk/cy/
The NA have full details of where records are located whether at Dolgellau or Caernarfon.
When I go looking for information on "sidelines" like this i find the search facility useful; it should be relatively easy to pick up on Llechwedd or Oakeley quarries.
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nestagj
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Hi try the archive in Dolgellau for the quarry records.They are very helpful there - give them a ring before you go and tell them what you're looking for; they found the Coroner Record for an inquest for one of my indirect ancestors; and also gave me the Police Occurences book for the period which also had the accident listed (btw the accident was at Llechwedd). I think I was the first person the open the bundle since it had been closed back in 1913. Fascinating stuff - and I found a brother of his which I hadn't seen before ....
Nesta
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