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Topic: Searching for origins of: MCNALLY, Catharine Christiana (Read 3266 times)
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WiggyHobbes08
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Not that I know of - he was a solicitor who arrived and took his place in the legal system in 1817 - seems to have arrived as a widower (needing entertainment apparently!) with two young children. He died in 1819 in Port Jackson of peritonitis, aged 42. He made a trip to VDL in Jan-April of 1819 on legal business, arriving on Derwent and leaving on Surrey
His children returned to England in March 1820 with Mrs Robinson.
Wow - I really know quite a lot about him! But that is about the sum total - I found quite a bit of this last night from the Sydney papers.
That is interesting about the Stieglitz connection to Amos of the East Coast!
Wiggy
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rpoole
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Henry Lewis Von STIEGLITZ wed Helen AMOS, daughter of Adam AMOS, at Campbelltown Tas 9/12/1834
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WiggyHobbes08
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Small world isn't it! With few-ish names in it in those times!
But, Henry Lewis was a brother of Frederick and Francis - right - so another of the same generation. Not Anne's son I don't think. Her sons were Lewis Frederick, Edgar, Caspar, Oscar and Tasman.
I think I did read that there were more Stieglitz sons - in ADB.
Interesting! Not awfully helpful in getting closer to Catharine!! - but interesting none the less.
Wiggy
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WiggyHobbes08
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Just realized - you said Augustus - I have him down as Augusta - please can you give me his birth and death dates - I don't seem to have them.
And if you have death dates for Lewis, Christina and Selina, that would be really good too!
Wiggy
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Just Moi
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Thomas Sterrop AMOS married in London 1806 to Elizabeth HAWKES
Adam AMOS 1774-1845 was son of James AMOS, and his wife Helen (nee Hoy).... they were Scots...
Hope that I have found the right genie clues on the geggle search thingy....
Umm, Thomas Sterrop AMOS may be a tad difficult to find, I think it has to be him on an index for marriage records - this name seems to be indexed as  Thomas Sterrop Amos ESQUIRE with the surname then coming as as - yep ESQUIRE
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WiggyHobbes08
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 I wonder if we are straying off the topic a tad? Just a thought! No We are looking for Thomas Amos evidence - right??
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rpoole
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I only have details on Augustus Francis STIEGLITZ born 30th Dec 1844 Campbelltown, Tas. died 15th Dec 1928 Tas.
However, wait for it,---------------I think I can solve the Christina riddle for you. I went and checked my notes and with them being only distant rellys I had forgot a vital contact who had given me Christina's details. It is complicated, but in short, I had my previous laptop stolen and lost quite a lot of emails I had not backed up. It is too late tonight, but when I get the detail I need from my contact, I will let you know.
Aussie Bob
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regross
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Wiggy and all
OH  frustrating suspense
can't wait to see what Aussie Bob has found
remember I said somehwere sometime someone might find something lost in paperwork etc fingers crosssed this is it
regrds an impatient
Robyn
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Abbott, Barnard, Clarke, Inward, Lanfear, Rutter,Spencer: Middlesex;
Greenaway:Cornwall;
Edney, Godwin/Goodwin, Gullett, Hampshire;
Gullett: Devon:
Emms:39th Regiment of Foot 1810-1832
Gordon, Scotland;
Arnold, Morton: Ireland;
Davies:Wales;
Olcorn:Cumberland;
Osborne: Staffordshire;
Harrington: Kent
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rpoole
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Hi all,
Sorry to keep you in suspense, but this is from anothers private notes, and I have, a now, invalid email address for him. Hopefully White Pages will help, I have left a message and hopefully will get a call tonight after BH. So
respect this info until I can clear it, which I am sure I will be able to. What I know is this:
Apparently Catherine MCNALLY aka MCNULTY, wife of Michael MCNALLY, arrived Sydney Cove 1807 after being sentenced for 7 years at the Old Bailey in 1806. She supposedly married the Captain of the "Lady Nelson" Benjamin OVERHAND in 1910 at St Phillips Sydney. (I think this should be Bryan OVERHAND who was Captain of both the "Lady Nelson" and "Estramina") see link below:
http://colsec.records.nsw.gov.au/indexes/colsec/o/F42c_o-13.htm#OVERHAND, Bryan
In 1814 they had one child. OVERHAND resigned and joined the Navy. Catherine met Thos RANSOM and they moved to Tasmania but as she married in the Colony they could not marry. Thomas supposedly lost his Liquor licence in Hobart as the couple were not married. It is thought Ann may have been born about 1814 and is OVERHAND's daughter but as he had abandoned his wife and child he was not recognised as the father. The rest of Tasmanian events you know.
Michael MCNALLY reportedly died circa 1828 in Liverpool. OVERHAND reportedly died about the same time leaving Catherine free to marry Frederick Von Stieglitz.
I hope to know more after tonight, in the meantime, none of this is substantiated and, as I said, should be treated with respect for now. Until then, Regards
Aussie Bob
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WiggyHobbes08
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Hi Aussie Bob,
No, No, No - -don't go there please!! We've been there and proved it wrong!! Sorry, but no! Please go back to the first 6 pages of the linked thread we had going and there you will find all our arguments for and against.
But having said that, thanks so much for trying and for your interest! Do keep in touch!
Welcome back Robyn.
Cheers, and much laughter,
Wiggy
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WiggyHobbes08
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David,
I wonder if you realized how far your research would reach over the years!! smiling hugely!
Wiggy
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Gaunt, Ransom, McNally, Stanfield, Kimberley. (Tasmania Australia)
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Percy, Dunning, (Devon, England)
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regross
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Wiggy,
Having reread our earlier efforts I can't see where we totally disproved this theory unlesss it is in the bits edited out for breach of copyright.
Interesting that this same theory has come from a totally uninvolved party to our original theorising etc.
I know we really don't want to revisit this theory but perhaps we should review what we had that disproved it with a more critical eye? Leave no stone unturned?
Would be nice to know what material they have to back up their theory too.
still looking for you
Robyn
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Abbott, Barnard, Clarke, Inward, Lanfear, Rutter,Spencer: Middlesex;
Greenaway:Cornwall;
Edney, Godwin/Goodwin, Gullett, Hampshire;
Gullett: Devon:
Emms:39th Regiment of Foot 1810-1832
Gordon, Scotland;
Arnold, Morton: Ireland;
Davies:Wales;
Olcorn:Cumberland;
Osborne: Staffordshire;
Harrington: Kent
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WiggyHobbes08
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Hi Robyn,
I detect David's research in this - I think Aussie Bob's info might have come via someone who knew of David's research! The stories are too similar and they peter out at the same point that he had got to before joining the fray with us.
Mrs Catherine Overand was still happily living in Sydney in 1822 and 1828 musters! David himself proved that - that's when he may his apology to all and sundry at about post 100 on the old, linked thread. I'm pretty sure we can put that one to rest!
Cheers,
Wiggy
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WiggyHobbes08
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Hi Robyn,
I detect David's research in this - I think Aussie Bob's info might have come via someone who knew of David's research! The stories are too similar and they peter out at the same point that he had got to before joining the fray with us.
Mrs Catherine Overand was still happily living in Sydney in 1822 and 1828 musters! David himself proved that - that's when he may his apology to all and sundry at about post 100 on the old, linked thread. I'm pretty sure we can put that one to rest!
Cheers, Not sure what happened there - sorry!
Wiggy
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rpoole
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Well, well, well, 
Amazing what confusion a stolen laptop, a changed email address, ignorance of the initial thread and only a passing interest in the original notes I received, can cause.  Oh well, I guess the puzzle remains for you to ponder.
Its a small world, David himself is the contact I lost track of and got the original advice from. We will have a laugh over this when we do catch up.  I need to send him details of a book I am about to publish, so, as a 2nd barrel, it would be great if someone can get him to PM me and I can give him my email address.
Happy Hunting,
Aussie Bob
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