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Topic: Searching for origins of: MCNALLY, Catharine Christiana (Read 3240 times)
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davclem
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BIRTH .--On the 28th ultimo, at Mr. Fryett's farm near Herdsman's Cove, a woman named Catherine O'Neil was safely delivered of three fine boys. The mother is doing well ; but the infants all died before proper medical attendance arrived. It is Singular that this good woman has been delivered of four Sons within the Short Space of eight months
Hobart Town Gazette 2 Jan 1819
David
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Juler- NWNorfolk , Thomas/Alice ,pre 1800,
Clement-Durham, Eng,pre 1800
Holroyd, Staffordshire, pre 1750
Amelia Wyatt/Cole/Booth, born Surrey ,abt 1821
John Wentworth who married Sarah Holmes, Carshalton,pre 1785
John Frith married Ann, Yorkshire/pre 1770, Settrington?
Alice Miles married Holkham Norfolk to Juler about 1745
Thomas Sanders , Buckland 1700s
Richard Adams , tailor , Lambeth ,about 1780-1830
Earliest reference to Break O'Day Plains, Eastern Tasmania, before 1820
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davclem
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It was a pretty tight system within a very small town
Government Public Notice.
Secretary's Office, Hobart Town, 3rd January, 1818
ALL Female Prisoners not affigned to Service, and who are allowed to be at large on their own Hands, must have regular Tickets of Leave ; they are required to apply at the Secretary's Office on Wednefday next, .the 7th Inftanf, between the Hours of Ten and One O’Clock, and to bring with them in writing the Names of the Ships in which they left England, the Years in which they arrived from Europe, and.the Names of the Veffels by which they arrived at this Colony alfo, the Periods and Places of Trial, and the periods of Sentence.
Such Women as negleclt or disobey this Notice will be ordered into Government Employment.
Several Females haying appeared at the General Muster having stated themselves themelves to have become Free by Servitude, but were unable , to exhibit any Certificate of Freedom, all females, who have become Free by Expiration of Sentence, not poffering a Certificate ,of Freedom,, are to apply, at this Office, on the following Day ,(Thürsday 8th),betweèn the Hours ot Ten and One; and bring with them in writing particulars Of their Trials, Sentences and vessels in which they arrived from Europe and at this Colony, , . . , ,
By Command of His Honor the Lieutenant Governor,
W. A Ross, Secretary
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Juler- NWNorfolk , Thomas/Alice ,pre 1800,
Clement-Durham, Eng,pre 1800
Holroyd, Staffordshire, pre 1750
Amelia Wyatt/Cole/Booth, born Surrey ,abt 1821
John Wentworth who married Sarah Holmes, Carshalton,pre 1785
John Frith married Ann, Yorkshire/pre 1770, Settrington?
Alice Miles married Holkham Norfolk to Juler about 1745
Thomas Sanders , Buckland 1700s
Richard Adams , tailor , Lambeth ,about 1780-1830
Earliest reference to Break O'Day Plains, Eastern Tasmania, before 1820
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regross
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Dave,
just makes it harder to understand how Catharine went unrecorded 
Robyn
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Abbott, Barnard, Clarke, Inward, Lanfear, Rutter,Spencer: Middlesex;
Greenaway:Cornwall;
Edney, Godwin/Goodwin, Gullett, Hampshire;
Gullett: Devon:
Emms:39th Regiment of Foot 1810-1832
Gordon, Scotland;
Arnold, Morton: Ireland;
Davies:Wales;
Olcorn:Cumberland;
Osborne: Staffordshire;
Harrington: Kent
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davclem
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Would Catherine have seen this sort of notice after arrival?
18 July 1818 WANTED immediately, for a small Family in Town, a middle aged Female Servant of All-Work,-Apply at the Gazette
David
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Juler- NWNorfolk , Thomas/Alice ,pre 1800,
Clement-Durham, Eng,pre 1800
Holroyd, Staffordshire, pre 1750
Amelia Wyatt/Cole/Booth, born Surrey ,abt 1821
John Wentworth who married Sarah Holmes, Carshalton,pre 1785
John Frith married Ann, Yorkshire/pre 1770, Settrington?
Alice Miles married Holkham Norfolk to Juler about 1745
Thomas Sanders , Buckland 1700s
Richard Adams , tailor , Lambeth ,about 1780-1830
Earliest reference to Break O'Day Plains, Eastern Tasmania, before 1820
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WiggyHobbes08
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David - Yes I saw that ad too - but which small family? - I saw another like it - but without reference to a family!
Robyn - I think - still  - that she didn't get recorded because she wasn't a convict!! I will hold to that conviction (!) until someone proves otherwise!
Wiggy
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Gaunt, Ransom, McNally, Stanfield, Kimberley. (Tasmania Australia)
Brown, Johnstone, Cumming, Cunningham, Crawford, Jack (Dumfriesshire, Lanarkshire, Scotland)
Percy, Dunning, (Devon, England)
Convicts of First/Second Fleet.
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regross
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Wiggy,
I agree but with all the checking and musters the necessity for church records of life events it is hard to understand that she id not noted as we know her until Thomas' baptism.
Hope you manage to track down Ann Ransom's baptism. 
Dave, such scrutinybis perhaps the onlt way that she will be found. I am in awe of your research. 
regards
Robyn
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Abbott, Barnard, Clarke, Inward, Lanfear, Rutter,Spencer: Middlesex;
Greenaway:Cornwall;
Edney, Godwin/Goodwin, Gullett, Hampshire;
Gullett: Devon:
Emms:39th Regiment of Foot 1810-1832
Gordon, Scotland;
Arnold, Morton: Ireland;
Davies:Wales;
Olcorn:Cumberland;
Osborne: Staffordshire;
Harrington: Kent
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regross
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Bye the Bye,
I have been looking at Thomas Ransom's earlier relationshhip via the IGI and restricted to London and Middlesex areas.
In 1778 a Thomas Ransom married Elisabeth Durell in Shoreditch.
Two possible daughters Ann 1780 and Magdalen Jane, 1784, both baptised in Bethnal Green.
Also found a possible marriage fro Ann to Sam Huetin Bethnal Green ib 1804, two daughters Ann 1805 and Elizabeth 1807. Both are too young to be contenders fro Catharine.
Magdalen Jane I can't trace yet.
regards
Robyn
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Abbott, Barnard, Clarke, Inward, Lanfear, Rutter,Spencer: Middlesex;
Greenaway:Cornwall;
Edney, Godwin/Goodwin, Gullett, Hampshire;
Gullett: Devon:
Emms:39th Regiment of Foot 1810-1832
Gordon, Scotland;
Arnold, Morton: Ireland;
Davies:Wales;
Olcorn:Cumberland;
Osborne: Staffordshire;
Harrington: Kent
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WiggyHobbes08
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We are inclined to think Elizabeth Durrell is the one! Been trying to chase those two daughters.
Wiggy
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Gaunt, Ransom, McNally, Stanfield, Kimberley. (Tasmania Australia)
Brown, Johnstone, Cumming, Cunningham, Crawford, Jack (Dumfriesshire, Lanarkshire, Scotland)
Percy, Dunning, (Devon, England)
Convicts of First/Second Fleet.
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davclem
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Macnally, MacAnally and Nally all share the same original Irish origins, in the two Irish names Mac an fhailghigh, "son of the poor man", and Mac Con Uladh, "son of the hound of Ulster", the latter name is almost entirely confined to Ulster including most of what are now counties Armagh and Monaghan. Today, the anglicized versions of the name remain very common in these counties, with the "Mac-"forms in the majority, Outside Ulster, the principal origin of the name is in north-west Connacht, in counties Roscommon and Mayo,( Bridget and Winifred!) The most common form in these counties is the simple "Nally"( as suggested by JM) In 1890, McNally was concentrated in counties Antrim, Armagh and Monaghan, (MacNally was among the 20 most common names in Monaghan (1970) while Nally was almost exclusive to Roscommon and Mayo...David
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Juler- NWNorfolk , Thomas/Alice ,pre 1800,
Clement-Durham, Eng,pre 1800
Holroyd, Staffordshire, pre 1750
Amelia Wyatt/Cole/Booth, born Surrey ,abt 1821
John Wentworth who married Sarah Holmes, Carshalton,pre 1785
John Frith married Ann, Yorkshire/pre 1770, Settrington?
Alice Miles married Holkham Norfolk to Juler about 1745
Thomas Sanders , Buckland 1700s
Richard Adams , tailor , Lambeth ,about 1780-1830
Earliest reference to Break O'Day Plains, Eastern Tasmania, before 1820
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regross
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Wiggy, Dave,
Is it worth posting a query in the Irish section with the information you have on the surname?
Coupled with the unusual combination of Catharine Christiana,and the time frame, there is the possiblity that some one may stumble across a record for her in Ireland.
Robyn
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Abbott, Barnard, Clarke, Inward, Lanfear, Rutter,Spencer: Middlesex;
Greenaway:Cornwall;
Edney, Godwin/Goodwin, Gullett, Hampshire;
Gullett: Devon:
Emms:39th Regiment of Foot 1810-1832
Gordon, Scotland;
Arnold, Morton: Ireland;
Davies:Wales;
Olcorn:Cumberland;
Osborne: Staffordshire;
Harrington: Kent
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WiggyHobbes08
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Thanks for that Tony!
She's elusive that's for sure!
Wiggy
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Gaunt, Ransom, McNally, Stanfield, Kimberley. (Tasmania Australia)
Brown, Johnstone, Cumming, Cunningham, Crawford, Jack (Dumfriesshire, Lanarkshire, Scotland)
Percy, Dunning, (Devon, England)
Convicts of First/Second Fleet.
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davclem
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Yes, lets not forget Thomas! This is just an IGI construct, based on exhaustive trawling, cross referencing and eliminations, but it is still just that- a construct from one data base, with no substantiation.. however...
It would make Thomas 37 at marriage, 39 when his first child was born, 45 at trial, 48 when transported, 73 when evacuated from Norfolk, 79 when Thomas 1820 was born , and 88 at death
Thomas Ransom 1741-1729 ;
1 Thomas Ransom. m. Mary Hill - 29 Sept 1740 at St Benet Paul’s Wharf
2Thomas Ransom c. 20 Jun 1741 at St Martin in the Fields .
3Married 8 Jun 1778 at St Leonards, Shoreditch, to
Elizabeth Durrell c.6 Nov 1757 (John and Elizabeth Durrell) at St George in the
East, Stepney,
children 3.1 Ann Ransom c. 13 Dec 1780 St Matthew’s, Bethnal Green,
( m. Samuel Huet 9 Sep 1796 St Matthew’s, Bethnal Green,
3.2 Magdalen Jane c. 30 Jul 1784 St Matthew’s, Bethnal Green,
David
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Juler- NWNorfolk , Thomas/Alice ,pre 1800,
Clement-Durham, Eng,pre 1800
Holroyd, Staffordshire, pre 1750
Amelia Wyatt/Cole/Booth, born Surrey ,abt 1821
John Wentworth who married Sarah Holmes, Carshalton,pre 1785
John Frith married Ann, Yorkshire/pre 1770, Settrington?
Alice Miles married Holkham Norfolk to Juler about 1745
Thomas Sanders , Buckland 1700s
Richard Adams , tailor , Lambeth ,about 1780-1830
Earliest reference to Break O'Day Plains, Eastern Tasmania, before 1820
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davclem
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Have we overlooked freemasonry as a source?
1817 - - 22 February - the Hobart Town Gazette reports: "after a performance by the Chaplain, the Rev. Robt. Knopwood,a neat and appropriate Masonic oration was delivered by a member of the society" on the occasion of the consecration of the land intended for St David's Church, after which "they partook of a very handsome cold collation, all anticipating prosperity and happiness of Van Diemen's Land".
1819 - June 12 - the Hobart Town Gazette records a list of subscribers to the Auxiliary Branch Bible Society of Van Diemen's Land at the Derwent which names twelve members of "the free and accepted Masons belonging to the Lodge of St. John, Hobart T."
1819 - 16 October - the Hobart Town Gazette reports that Michael Lee (formerly of the lodge at Norfolk Island) had been granted a licence for the tavern, the Freemason's Arms, in Hobart.
1820 - 1 January - the Hobart Town Gazette reports that 'On Monday last, the Freemasons resident in this Settlement assembled and went in procession to lay the foundation stone of a new lodge intended to be erected in Melville Street on the plot of ground which they have occupied in exchange for that originally held by the lodge at Norfolk Island.'
David
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Juler- NWNorfolk , Thomas/Alice ,pre 1800,
Clement-Durham, Eng,pre 1800
Holroyd, Staffordshire, pre 1750
Amelia Wyatt/Cole/Booth, born Surrey ,abt 1821
John Wentworth who married Sarah Holmes, Carshalton,pre 1785
John Frith married Ann, Yorkshire/pre 1770, Settrington?
Alice Miles married Holkham Norfolk to Juler about 1745
Thomas Sanders , Buckland 1700s
Richard Adams , tailor , Lambeth ,about 1780-1830
Earliest reference to Break O'Day Plains, Eastern Tasmania, before 1820
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davclem
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and the last thought for the day (?)
Wiggy is convinced and so far the records bear her out , that our Catharine was not a convict-she was consistent in her use of Mcnally as her real name- so let us accept that she WAS born 1789. So she either came to NSW/VDL or was born colony- so have we individually and collectively in the frenzy of the chase, explored to the limits of our capacity and the available records, female births in NSW 1789?
David
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Juler- NWNorfolk , Thomas/Alice ,pre 1800,
Clement-Durham, Eng,pre 1800
Holroyd, Staffordshire, pre 1750
Amelia Wyatt/Cole/Booth, born Surrey ,abt 1821
John Wentworth who married Sarah Holmes, Carshalton,pre 1785
John Frith married Ann, Yorkshire/pre 1770, Settrington?
Alice Miles married Holkham Norfolk to Juler about 1745
Thomas Sanders , Buckland 1700s
Richard Adams , tailor , Lambeth ,about 1780-1830
Earliest reference to Break O'Day Plains, Eastern Tasmania, before 1820
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