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Topic: Need help marriage cert - *completed with thanks* (Read 563 times)
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newbe_nz
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I have been in today to Birth, Death and Marriage office of Internal Affairs and they are not able to find the marriage either so now I am being asked to write a letter outlining all the things I have done to find this marriage.
I then have to take the letter and marriage certificate in with me and speak to the same person I did today. They will take a photocopy of it and then send it to Wellington on my behalf
Newbe
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rileyaceofspades
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Hi newbe,
The thlot pickens, I couldn't find hide nor hair of the ITM either! I checked Auckland, Mangonui, Kaitaia, Thames, and Drury.
So how do you come to have a NZ marriage certificate associated with divorce papers and the NZ Registrar General has no record of the marriage taking place?
It might help if you could post an image of the complete certificate for us.
Regards, riley
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Just Moi
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Hi Newbe,
I too am interested .... afterall I have NZ forebears on both my lines... and I have one couple (John and Mary Smith) whose marriage has not been found as recorded in NZ despite much searching, here at RChat, on other sites, and for decades before the internet... I have the apparent details for the marriage, 1881, in Wellington NZ, on various NSW records, including birth certificates for their many children (including several who did not survive infancy including one who lived just 15 hours) and on various family records too...
However, neither I nor my cousins despite protracted efforts .... well none of us have ever found the elusive marriage in any of the NZ BDM records..(either before or after it went online) .... John and Mary SMITH.... her mum was DYKINS ... and Newbe,  yep we have discussed that surname together....
I am hoping the response you get back from Wellington may be of help to me in my search for John and Mary Smith ..... (fingers crossed over here in NSW)...
Cheers,
JM
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Mk2_Zephyr
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Hmmm
Yes indeed,
SHOW US THE MON ... ! Certificate ... 
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newbe_nz
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It is against copyright for me to post the whole certificate and I would be in trouble if I did.
If any one wants to see it can they contact me via the PM system
Or would it be easier for to write out whast it says
Newbe
PS: the office in Christchurch has taken a copy and attached it to a letter I wrote and has sent it to Wellington on my behalf
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newbe_nz
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Thank you Riley for looking and spending you time in doing this for me.
I am sorry that you could not find an ITM for this marriage
Newbe
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newbe_nz
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Here are the details for the marriage certificate I have
Marriages in the District of Mangonui
Date: 8 January 1900
Bridegroom: William George THOMPSON
Bride: Sarah WAITE
Age: 31;23
Rank or profession: Farmer; nil
Condition of parties: Bachelor; Spinster
Birth Place: Thames; Christchurch
Residence: Oruru;Oruru (Both present and usual)
Parents of Bridegroom: George THOMPSON, Labourer; Jane THOMPSON nee TOWNSEND
Parents of Bride: Joseph WAITE, Labourer; Mary WAITE nee FISHER
Witnesses: Ellen THOMPSON Domestic Duties, Fred S WAITE, Farmer
Not able to read ministers name
Newbe
PS: might need to add residence and minister for you to look at
Yes will let you all know the outcome
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Lucy2
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Hi Newbe and Riley
Just a (probably, daft) thought. 
This marriage took place early in the new year of 1900.
I wonder therefore, was the ITM applied for in the preceding year.
An ITM notice (on payment of a fee) was valid for three months. So it may have been applied for in, say, November 1899 ?
[Might explain the registrar (or minister) not entering the details of the eventual marriage, alongside details of the ITM notice, if this notice was "amongst the 1899 entries". ] ?
Maybe the omission of the marriage from the official records, is simply just a case "sloppy book-keeping" (on the part of the Registrar) ?
Whatever though ... it sure is an intriguing matter. 
[Yep ... will be really interested to learn of DIA's response.]
Lu
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Lucy2
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Hi Newbe
Looks like the marriage was conducted by the (local) "Registrar" (rather than a minister).
[And back in earlier post .... certificate image says marriage was in the "Office of the Registrar". ]
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newbe_nz
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It is not daft Lu but it is a good thought
Never thought of that
Yes it will be interesting to see what their response is
Newbe
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newbe_nz
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Just adding the ITM would have been written by Sarah WAITE as William George THOMPSON could not read or write. This is noted in the divorce file
Newbe
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