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nigelp
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Re: Missing!
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 14 October 09 09:39 UTC (UK) »

Those particular children appear in the 1881 Census and the details are presumably from FreeBMD.

Emma Jane was born in 1872 and, therefore, could not be in the 1871 Census.

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Re: Missing!
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 14 October 09 10:08 UTC (UK) »

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Re: Missing!
« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 14 October 09 11:03 UTC (UK) »

Hello Michaela

Possible "sighting" of James?

In the 1871 Census (RG10/1781/118) there is a James Thompson [married, occupation AB (Seaman), born c1835 in Woolwich Kent] on the vessel “Marthas”  which is at anchor at Lowestoft Roads, Suffolk.
Other crew:
Wilkinson Cook, Master, 33
Charles Clauder, Mate, 39
John Hamilton, Cook Steward AB, 38
James Thompson, AB, 36
Thomas Prott, AB, 22

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« Reply #18 on: Wednesday 14 October 09 21:02 UTC (UK) »

What a muddle Shocked It seems I could be mistaken about the children I found in St Germans, Cornwall.  As Thompson seems to be quite a common name there.  It's just that this is the first time I have actually found any of the 4 names with the right years in the same place.  And in a place very near to Plymouth. 

And yes Nigel I have just assumed about John C Thompson too being James & Jane's son, simply because its the right name and the right year in the right place, according to the 1881 census.  Oh well, I've sent away for the cert. now, so I'll soon see if I was right or wrong.  As for George Alfred Thompson born in St Germans in 1865, this couldn't be right, that's if my John is correct as they were still in London at that time.  I think! I hope!

I still have found no sign of my family in the 1871 census, and what is interesting, is if the children I have found in the FreeBMD of St Germans are not the children of James & Jane, they don't seem to exist in that area in 1871 either.

Thank you Ivan, I guess it's a possibility that the James you have found on the Marthas anchored at Lowerstoft, could be my man, but why would he change his birth place to Woolwich???  Still Kent I guess, but not particular that close to higham.  Still on the Thames though!

Anyway thank you all for you efforts.  I'll let you know the out come of the John C Thompson Cert. when it arrives.

Cheers

Michaela
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Re: Missing!
« Reply #19 on: Thursday 15 October 09 10:34 UTC (UK) »

Hello Michaela

The following data is tentative but may provide an indication that the St Germans births you found could be the right ones:

Marriages 3Q 1895   
Strood Vol. 2a Page 997   
Dine, Eric Edward   
Luffman, Clara     
Matson, George William     
Thompson, Emma Jane     


1901 Census
(RG13 Piece 718, Folio 89, Page 13)
7, Hope Terrace, Higham 
MATSON, George, Head, Married, 27, Cement Lab, born Higham, Kent 
MATSON, Emma, Wife, Married, 26, born N(ot) K(nown) Cornwall 
MATSON, E, Daughter 5, born Higham, Kent 
MATSON, G, Son, 3, born Higham, Kent 
MATSON, L, Daughter, 2, born Higham, Kent 

(Emma's age should be 28 or 29!)

It might be worth obtaining the birth certificate for Emma as this could provide an address which might help locate the family in 1871. To minimise potential abortive cost you could perhaps stiplulate “Reference Checking” points including father’s name and mother’s maiden name.

I hope that this is of some help.

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ivanidea
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Re: Missing!
« Reply #20 on: Thursday 15 October 09 12:46 UTC (UK) »

Hello, again, Michaela

The following could be "your" James:

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/details-result.asp?Edoc_Id=6795829&queryType=1&resultcount=2

No guarantees, of course!

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« Reply #21 on: Thursday 15 October 09 19:39 UTC (UK) »

Wow!   This is brilliant!  Thank you so very much Ivan.  I've downloaded the Seaman's service papers for James Thompson that you sent me, and I'm very pleased I did.  I'm quite certain it is my James Thompson, and what a lovely document to have.

And as for Emma Matson, its all looking very hopeful.  I will send off for her Birth cert. and let you know the out come.

Again, thank you so very much

Michaela
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« Reply #22 on: Tuesday 20 October 09 20:01 UTC (UK) »

It turns out that the John C Thompson b. Sept 1866 St Lukes was not my John.  Sad 
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« Reply #23 on: Friday 23 October 09 07:36 UTC (UK) »

 At Last! Smiley It's good news today! The cert. for Emma J Thompson has arrived.  And she is my Emma  Smiley.

Born 17 June 1872 Fore Street, Torpoint Antony Cornwall.
Emma Jane Thompson
Father: James Thompson
Mother (Oddly) Jane Ennever Thompson Formerly Thompson
Father Occupation Stoker R N H M Ship "Pallas"

The bad news is:- I search the whole of Fore Street, Torpoint, Antony. In the 1871 Census. But still nothing.

I guess the answer to this is to send for Williams Birth Cert. who was born 1870 to see where they were living before the 1871 census was taken.
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nigelp
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Re: Missing!
« Reply #24 on: Friday 23 October 09 09:39 UTC (UK) »

Returning to the earlier part of this thread, the birth Certificate for George Alfred Thompson (1865) could be helpful.
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« Reply #25 on: Friday 23 October 09 12:12 UTC (UK) »

Hi Nigel

Yes I'm inclined to agree with you now.  Embarrassed  I assumed ages ago, that the Jane Thompson I found in 1871 census in Bell Alley Holborn was my family, so stupidly added that and the children with her to my tree.  Forgetting I'd done this, I was still looking for the names of those children ie: John C Thompson births.  That is why I ended up buying a certificate for him, to find out that he has nothing to do with my family. I guess that's what happens when you try and do too many things at once. 

However I will be sending off for William, George and Eliza Thompson's cert. born in St Germans. I'll let you know the outcome.

Thanks

Michaela
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« Reply #26 on: Thursday 29 October 09 10:07 UTC (UK) »

All certificates present and correct!  Smiley  So all 4 eldest children of Jane and James Thompson were born on Torpoint Cornwall.  I've just got to find them in the 1871 census now.  I now have 3 different addresses to go on:-

20 Fore Street 1865
8 King Street 1868
22 Macey Street 1870
then back to
20 Fore Street 1872

I've checked the whole of fore st to no avail.  It looks like I'm going to have to go through the whole of Torpoint seeing as they moved about so much.

Has anyone got any ideas why a family would move house so many times in such a short space of time and within a close proximity of each other, and being pregnant most of that time, and with small children.  Moving is pretty stressful on its own! 

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