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MonicaLesl
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Hi Jim
Looking at your tree on Ancestry. Not sure if you have the right 1841 census entry for James McGregor and Jessie Sutherland.
I think this might be them in 1841 with James working and living with his family at the household of Robert Ryrie, farmer:
Robert Ryrie 50, farmer
James Ryrie 15
John McGreggor 15, agr. lab.
Christina Stewart 15, servant
Helen Coghill 15, servant
Alexander Murray 60, farm manager
Janet McKay 30
James McGreggor 20, servant
Janet Sutherland 20
Ann Sutherland 13, servant...wonder whether this is Jessie's sister who shows with parents in 1851?
Jane McGreggor 4
Isabella McGreggor 3
Esther McGreggor 3 months
Address: Dunn, Watten, Caithness
Remember for the 1841 census, everyone over 15 is supposed to have their ages rounded down to the nearest 5 yrs and no relationships given with the household.
Monica
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MonicaLesl
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That's great Jim, you are making lots of headway in verying your G Aunt's notes 
How lucky you have been that Esther died in 1855, as you have seen, the information contained there is huge. Pity they cut back the entries the following year! I am also glad to see that John, Esther's husband, is down as farmer and tailor as this then confirms the census entries where he shows as tailor. If you check on FreeCen on the link I gave you earlier, you will find John and Esther and perhaps a grandson, Alexander aged 14 in the 1841 census. John also shows as tailor that year.
The only bit I am still having a problem with is the birth entry you have for Esther....I don't think it is hers! As you have seen, Esther's parents were William and Ann, not John and Janet (Cormack). There is another Esther showing in 1841 in the same age group as your Esther, this one married to a Neil Sutherland. I wonder if she is the one that is the daughter of John and Janet (Cormack)?
Records for Caithness, as I am sure you have found, start to get quite bare the further back you go. With Sutherlands marrying Sutherlands etc., it gets quite hard to unravel in this period.
Monica
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ostler
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Great Granddad John Angus Sutherland (1875-1963)
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Hi Jim
I'm also looking at the family of John and Esther. Esther's parents (William and Ann Sutherland) are potentially my great x5 grandparents. I've studied this area (Knockally/Dunbeath/Latheron) extensively, and it makes sense that Esther had a brother called Neil, who - without doubt - is my great x4 grandfather. However, there are at least three families descended from separate William and Ann Sutherlands in roughly the same area and this is why I'm not 100% certain Esther is one of mine.
I have nine children for John and Esther and estimated years of birth for them - some others I got their births from IGI.
Let me know if you would like further information.
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All countries/counties
Kinnes, Ostler, Terras (and all variations!!)
Scotland
Caithness: Sutherland and Gunn (Latheron), Mowat (Olrig, Canisbay)
Fife: Fleming, Harley, Small, Laing, Malcolm
Angus/Forfarshire: Small, Laing (Dundee)
Perthshire: Runciman, Whittet, Paul, Small
Midlothian: Dudgeon, Sanderson (Tranent)
England
Gloucestershire: Edkins, Trowton/Troughton
Warwickshire: Bromley, Vickers, Hydon
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ostler
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Posts: 347
Great Granddad John Angus Sutherland (1875-1963)
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I don't appear to have as much as I thought but I'm going to New Register House tomorrow so I'll see what I can find.
Esther Sutherland born c1783 to William and Ann Sutherland in Balnabruich, Dunbeath, died 2 Apr 1855 in Knockally, Dunbeath. Buried in Berriedale Burial Ground.
Her children:
William
William born c1807
Robert born c1809
Hugh born 1813 in Balachuistel, Dunbeath, baptised 5 May 1813 in Latheron
James born 1816 in Balnabruich, baptised 19 Sep 1816 in Latheron
Janet born 1817 in Knockally, baptised 24 Apr 1817 in Latheron
Anne born 1819 in Balnabruich, baptised 6 Oct 1819 in Latheron
George born 1821 in Knockally, baptised 26 Oct 1821 in Latheron
Alexander born c1823
Possible deaths for the children (going by this site: http://www.graven-images.org.uk/index.htm):
Erected in 1862.
Erected in memory of.
William Sutherland, farmer of Balnabruich, died 29th July 1861 aged 54.
The mill of God.
In memory of.
Isabella Sutherland died 21st March 1863 aged 42 Wife of James Sutherland Smerlie.
Erected by James Sutherland in memory of his wife.
Elizabeth Sutherland died 19th July 1845 aged 32.
Son Alexander died 1865 in infancy.
Also.
Husband James Sutherland, farmer of Knockinnon and elder of the Free Church Latheron, died at Latheronwheel March 1885 aged 73.
In business he was scrupulously upright and in his Christian profession consistent and zealous for the truth.
2nd wife Elizabeth McGregor died 3rd December 1900 aged 84
Jane Sutherland died 30th July 1902 aged 84.
In memory of.
Alexander Sutherland of Oamaru New Zealand died at Janetstown Latheronwheel 5th November 1894 aged 70.
I'll look into these deaths tomorrow and see what I dig up. Hmmm probably not the best choice of words there...
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All countries/counties
Kinnes, Ostler, Terras (and all variations!!)
Scotland
Caithness: Sutherland and Gunn (Latheron), Mowat (Olrig, Canisbay)
Fife: Fleming, Harley, Small, Laing, Malcolm
Angus/Forfarshire: Small, Laing (Dundee)
Perthshire: Runciman, Whittet, Paul, Small
Midlothian: Dudgeon, Sanderson (Tranent)
England
Gloucestershire: Edkins, Trowton/Troughton
Warwickshire: Bromley, Vickers, Hydon
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ostler
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Posts: 347
Great Granddad John Angus Sutherland (1875-1963)
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Hi Jim
I actually forgot to look at the deaths I listed above, but I did get a few generations further forward if you're interested. I'm not sure how much relevance it has for you.
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All countries/counties
Kinnes, Ostler, Terras (and all variations!!)
Scotland
Caithness: Sutherland and Gunn (Latheron), Mowat (Olrig, Canisbay)
Fife: Fleming, Harley, Small, Laing, Malcolm
Angus/Forfarshire: Small, Laing (Dundee)
Perthshire: Runciman, Whittet, Paul, Small
Midlothian: Dudgeon, Sanderson (Tranent)
England
Gloucestershire: Edkins, Trowton/Troughton
Warwickshire: Bromley, Vickers, Hydon
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ostler
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Posts: 347
Great Granddad John Angus Sutherland (1875-1963)
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Also I've been doing this for nearly four years and I'm still fumbling!
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All countries/counties
Kinnes, Ostler, Terras (and all variations!!)
Scotland
Caithness: Sutherland and Gunn (Latheron), Mowat (Olrig, Canisbay)
Fife: Fleming, Harley, Small, Laing, Malcolm
Angus/Forfarshire: Small, Laing (Dundee)
Perthshire: Runciman, Whittet, Paul, Small
Midlothian: Dudgeon, Sanderson (Tranent)
England
Gloucestershire: Edkins, Trowton/Troughton
Warwickshire: Bromley, Vickers, Hydon
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ostler
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Posts: 347
Great Granddad John Angus Sutherland (1875-1963)
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I didn't find anything out on Janet I'm afraid.
Anne, son of John and Esther, died 21st March 1915 in Newport, Berriedale age 97 years. She never married. Her nephew-in-law, George Chisholm, was the informant. I have my suspicions that George was actually her great nephew-in-law.
Ann's brother Hugh was the only other person in the family I could find anything out on. He was a master shoemaker and died age 90 in Knockally. He married Barbara Gunn, 1st January 1836 and she died 31st August 1907 age 98 years. They had at least nine children:
Donald (1836-1914)
Ann (1838-1914)
Esther (1840-?)
Williamina (1842-1866)
John (c1845-1899)
Isabella (c1847-?)
Robert (c1849-?)
Barbara (c1851-1873)
Hugh (1857-1883)
Donald Sutherland was born 25th September 1836 and died 20th April 1914 in Knockally age 78 years. Like his father he was a master shoemaker. He married Annie Grant in Dunbeath on 5th February 1857. They had at least four children:
Barbara (1861-1961)
Hugh Grant (1866-1921)
Donald Grant (1873-1929)
Isabella Esther (1879-?)
Ann Sutherland was born 23rd August 1838 and died 5th November 1914 in Dunbeath age 77 years. She married John Sinclair on 4th February 1859 in Dunbeath. They had at least nine children:
George (1859-?)
Hugh (1860-?)
John (1862-?)
Catherine (1864-?)
Williamina (1866-?)
Donald (1868-?)
James (1870-?)
Barbara Esther (1872-?)
Donaldina (1874-?)
Williamina Sutherland was born 24th September 1842 and died 2nd May 1866 in Knockally age 24 years. She never married.
John Sutherland was born c1845 and died 25th August 1899 in the Square, Ellon, Aberdeenshire age 55 years. He married Isabella Sutherland.
Barbara Sutherland was born c1851 and died 25th February 1873 in Knockally age 21 years. She never married.
Hugh Sutherland was born 23rd January 1857 in Knockally and died 28th May 1883 also in Knockally age 26 years. He was a journeyman shoemaker and never married.
Barbara Sutherland was born 21st April 1861 in Ramscraig, Dunbeath and died 21st October 1961 in "Seaview", Inver, Dunbeath, age 100 years. She married Mackay Sinclair Gunn McLeod.
Hugh Grant Sutherland was born 6th February 1866 in Ramscraig and died 7th January 1921 in 11 Main Street, Dalmuir, Old Kirkpatrick, Dumbartonshire. He was a journeyman blacksmith and married Mary Chisholm, 7th July 1899 in Cardell Halls, Govan Road, Govan. They had at least five children:
Christina McLure (1900-1963)
Donald Grant (1901-1985)
Mary (1905-2002)
Ann Grant (1907-1997)
Elizabeth (1909-1975)
Donald Grant Sutherland was born 17th March 1873 in Knockally and died 31st May 1929 in Royal Asylum, Montrose age 55 years. He married Ann Sutherland on 4th December 1896 in Lybster.
That's about all I got, but now I know where the connection is (Janet b1817) I have a clearer idea of what to look for next time.
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All countries/counties
Kinnes, Ostler, Terras (and all variations!!)
Scotland
Caithness: Sutherland and Gunn (Latheron), Mowat (Olrig, Canisbay)
Fife: Fleming, Harley, Small, Laing, Malcolm
Angus/Forfarshire: Small, Laing (Dundee)
Perthshire: Runciman, Whittet, Paul, Small
Midlothian: Dudgeon, Sanderson (Tranent)
England
Gloucestershire: Edkins, Trowton/Troughton
Warwickshire: Bromley, Vickers, Hydon
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