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sunnylew
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I am transcribing a 1617 Suffolk will and have come across a bequest to - as near as I can make out - "Nonsoto the American".
I am incredibly interested in the possibility that he may have been a native American, as I don't recognize the name as something from any European language (though I am no expert).
Capital letters are always difficult for me, though, and I was wondering if anyone could tell me whether I am reading his name correctly?
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PrueM
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Hi sunnylew 
I certainly read it the same as you do - are there any other capital Ns in the doc to compare it with?
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I live in NSW, and am researching:
BALFOUR (Derry) – BIGG (Kent) – BONSALL (DBY, NTT, CHS) – BRISBANE (Fife) – DANKS (STS) – DOBSON (BRK) – FRANCIS (ESS) – GOODE (HAM) – HAYNES (Cork) – INGRAM (MDX, SOM) – LANGWORTHY (Jersey, DEV) – MCKAY (Fife, Aberdeen, Banff, Moray) – MORRISH (LND) – NANCARROW (CON) – OGILVIE (Moray, LND) – STRATHDEE (LND, Banff) - SWAN (Fife)
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Kalishoek
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My guess is Mopoto and not a native American but an slave from African descent from the slave trade in that time around 1617.
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PrueM
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I really do think the word is spelled "[?]onsoto" as the smaller letters are quite clear. The initial letter I'm not sure about, but Kalishoek could well be right about them being a slave, or ex-slave 
MIght it be worth contacting the Suffolk record office or an historical society in the parish where your ancestor lived, sunnylew, in case they can find other references to this person?
Prue
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I live in NSW, and am researching:
BALFOUR (Derry) – BIGG (Kent) – BONSALL (DBY, NTT, CHS) – BRISBANE (Fife) – DANKS (STS) – DOBSON (BRK) – FRANCIS (ESS) – GOODE (HAM) – HAYNES (Cork) – INGRAM (MDX, SOM) – LANGWORTHY (Jersey, DEV) – MCKAY (Fife, Aberdeen, Banff, Moray) – MORRISH (LND) – NANCARROW (CON) – OGILVIE (Moray, LND) – STRATHDEE (LND, Banff) - SWAN (Fife)
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PrueM
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Hi Sunnylew,
In my opinion the middle letter would appear to be 'f'.
I realize this still doesn't help decipher the name, Monfeto perhaps? but there are several instances of the same character in the second scan you posted that are surely 'f's:
"...of his [??]f[?] or before..." "...full value and worth of..."
I don't think it's an f, Matt - see the "s" in "decease" on that second scan...it is more open and has no cross-bar as the "f"s do.
Could end "eto" though, as you suggest.
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I live in NSW, and am researching:
BALFOUR (Derry) – BIGG (Kent) – BONSALL (DBY, NTT, CHS) – BRISBANE (Fife) – DANKS (STS) – DOBSON (BRK) – FRANCIS (ESS) – GOODE (HAM) – HAYNES (Cork) – INGRAM (MDX, SOM) – LANGWORTHY (Jersey, DEV) – MCKAY (Fife, Aberdeen, Banff, Moray) – MORRISH (LND) – NANCARROW (CON) – OGILVIE (Moray, LND) – STRATHDEE (LND, Banff) - SWAN (Fife)
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PrueM
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JUst had a thought - could it be "Y Consolo/Conseto" with what we thought was an initial letter actually being two letters?
Not sure I've even convinced myself of this, but thought I'd run it up the flagpole  
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Paper and Photograph Conservator
I live in NSW, and am researching:
BALFOUR (Derry) – BIGG (Kent) – BONSALL (DBY, NTT, CHS) – BRISBANE (Fife) – DANKS (STS) – DOBSON (BRK) – FRANCIS (ESS) – GOODE (HAM) – HAYNES (Cork) – INGRAM (MDX, SOM) – LANGWORTHY (Jersey, DEV) – MCKAY (Fife, Aberdeen, Banff, Moray) – MORRISH (LND) – NANCARROW (CON) – OGILVIE (Moray, LND) – STRATHDEE (LND, Banff) - SWAN (Fife)
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sunnylew
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Hi Nick,
I'm away on holiday at the moment, so cannot refer to my transcription, but from memory, "Nonsoto" or whomever it is, was bequeathed all manner of waistcoats and fine clothes. Nothing more is mentioned about him than that extract, but I will put a little more up for you to see when I get back.
I had another look at "American" (as I am ever ready to be woefully wrong when it comes to transcription), but I have completed the entire 6 pages, about 6,000 words in total, of that particular will and am convinced that it can say nothing other than American - as far as what that means, I am happy to agree with anyone with a firm opinion, as I know very little about that subject.
I am home in a couple of days, and will put the rest of the bequest up for your opinion. I will also have another look for that first letter elsewhere and seewhat comes up.
Lewis
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Buckenham and Variants in Norfolk and Suffolk.
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sunnylew
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This is the transcription I have for this bequest:
16 ................ /Item/ I give unto Nonsoto the American the
17 blewelaced cassocke or mandelion the white colored pricked slyvers the blewe slyvers A trusse of lynnen
18 cloth And a dublett of linnen cloth laced which he usuallie weareth twoe newe shirtes of three quarter
19 broade cloth and more all readie cutt onto his redd coate and capp he usuallie weareth the late bought
20 lyneings to weare next to his leggs And three shillings and ffower pence of lawfull English money to buy him
21 another cappe withall ...................
On rereading (I couldn't read "Usuallie last time I went through this) it sounds like perhaps a uniform of some kind, or at least previously provided clothing, is being given to him.
I assume this to mean he was a servant of some sort (or perhaps a petted favourite as Bennelong the last Tasmanian Aboriginal was a couple of hundred of years later?).
Looking at the first "Letter", I know wonder whether it isn't in fact two - a capital I don't know what and a connected "l".
It could be a "Y" perhaps, but, as always with capitals, I am incredibly uncertain as to what it is.
So does Ylonsoto sound familiar or plausible to anyone?
Lewis
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Buckenham and Variants in Norfolk and Suffolk.
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Palmer in Birmingham
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PrueM
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Hm, I wonder whether instead of an "n", it's an "r"? as in "Norsolo" or "Norsoto"...still doesn't make sense but I thought I'd mention it!
Sounds like some quite expensive gear is being given to him - how does this compare to what was given to others in the will?
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I live in NSW, and am researching:
BALFOUR (Derry) – BIGG (Kent) – BONSALL (DBY, NTT, CHS) – BRISBANE (Fife) – DANKS (STS) – DOBSON (BRK) – FRANCIS (ESS) – GOODE (HAM) – HAYNES (Cork) – INGRAM (MDX, SOM) – LANGWORTHY (Jersey, DEV) – MCKAY (Fife, Aberdeen, Banff, Moray) – MORRISH (LND) – NANCARROW (CON) – OGILVIE (Moray, LND) – STRATHDEE (LND, Banff) - SWAN (Fife)
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