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"Guaranteed" Immigrants to New Zealand - 1871
« on: Thursday 15 October 09 10:29 UTC (UK) »

My G-Grandfather, Thomas Osborn Wills JENNINGs, a shoemaker from Tottenham, migrated to New Zealand with his wife and young family. They left Gravesend on 18 May 1871 on board the Shun Lee and were listed as "Guaranteed" passengers - http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ourstuff/ShunLee.htm

I understand that New Zealand was seeking to increase its population at the time, and paid the way for some classes of immigrants, such as young single women, and agricultural workers.  But can anyone explain the difference between "Guaranteed" and "Assisted" immigrants, please?
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Re: "Guaranteed" Immigrants to New Zealand - 1871
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 27 October 09 08:29 UTC (UK) »

Hi Gerry

I think the answer lies in the matter of who was doing the paying. In 1871 the Vogel Scheme began and many immigrants received an "assissted" passage in which the NZ Govt paid the appropriate fare. There were other classes of immigrant, firstly those who could afford to pay for themselves or secondly those who were sponsored here by a relative or employer who agreed to pay their fare, thereby guaranteeing it.

You could put your querry on the NZ board but I think the answer will be as above.

Cheers
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Re: "Guaranteed" Immigrants to New Zealand - 1871
« Reply #2 on: Friday 30 October 09 02:29 UTC (UK) »

Thanks Alan.

That sounds a very plausible distinction. All of which leaves me with the question of who would have guaranteed them? No - I don't expect you to answer that one!

Thanks for your help,

Cheers,
Gerry
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Re: "Guaranteed" Immigrants to New Zealand - 1871
« Reply #3 on: Friday 30 October 09 04:44 UTC (UK) »

I'm in Australia,

and I am sure that the RChatters on the NZ board can help with the distinction between Assisted and Guaranteed...  Several of my UK forebears migrated to NZ in the 1870's, some were listed as "Colonial" on their passage records, some as "Assisted" and some as "Guaranteed"...  as I understand it, it was all to do with when, by whom and where the fares were paid....

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Re: "Guaranteed" Immigrants to New Zealand - 1871
« Reply #4 on: Friday 30 October 09 05:24 UTC (UK) »

Many thanks, JM.

I will follow up on your suggestion.

Cheers,

Gerry
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Re: "Guaranteed" Immigrants to New Zealand - 1871
« Reply #5 on: Friday 30 October 09 05:45 UTC (UK) »

I am not sure if this posting will help, but interesting for you I hope.  I have copies of a collection of letters written by a New Zealand settler between 1861 and 1893.  In the early days most men arriving in New Zealand were signed up to the Militia to fight against the Maoris and they were rewarded for their services by gifts of land.

Later in 1872 he writes:

"Of course you have seen in the newspaper that you can get out here for half price now, if you want to come, and that single girls, domestic servants can come out free if approved of by the Emigration Agent in England or recommended by a settler here, such as myself for instance.  So if there is any friend of yours that wants to come you can write to me and I will recommend her.  Must be steady, good character etc."

Hope this snippet is useful..... Smiley
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Re: "Guaranteed" Immigrants to New Zealand - 1871
« Reply #6 on: Friday 30 October 09 06:02 UTC (UK) »

Hi SH100,

Thank you for your post. What a fascinating collection of letters you have! The snippet you have posted is of great interest to me. My GGrandfather stayed in NZ for only about 8 months - I had never imagined that he would or could have been recruited to the militia, but that could help to explain the brevity of his stay in NZ. He was a shoemaker by trade, and I had presumed that he came to ply that trade - but maybe not!
Can you give a name and date for your snippet's author?

Many thanks,

Gerry
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Re: "Guaranteed" Immigrants to New Zealand - 1871
« Reply #7 on: Friday 30 October 09 06:51 UTC (UK) »

You are welcome, Gerry.   The letters are a private collection of family papers but if you send me a PM I can let you have more information.  I did have a very helpful link to a website about the Maori wars but I haven't accessed it for a while.  I have copied it here and hope it works!

http://www.nzhistory.net.nz/war/new-zealands-19th-century-wars/

I'll look forward to hearing from you.
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Re: "Guaranteed" Immigrants to New Zealand - 1871
« Reply #8 on: Friday 30 October 09 06:55 UTC (UK) »

Whoops! Embarrassed
Please try this instead
http://www.nzhistory.net.nz/war/new-zealands-19th-century-wars/introduction
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Re: "Guaranteed" Immigrants to New Zealand - 1871
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 08 November 09 15:39 UTC (UK) »

Sorry to butt in but what you have said strongly ties in with my family some who migrated to NZ in 1863, another faction of it got there around 1840. I have always wondered why this Scottish contingent chose to leave a reasonabley well heeled existence in Scotland to start virtually again in NZ. I'm still not sure what it was all for. My Great great Grandfather and his wife (who disappeared into the ether around 1870 somewhere between NSW and NZ) took their 2 daughters and son to NZ in 1863. It seems his wife stayed for a great part in NSW with the son who would have been very young- 9 years, whilst Great greatgrandfather took the girls (born 1851& 1853) onto NZ with him.
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Re: "Guaranteed" Immigrants to New Zealand - 1871
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 08 November 09 16:34 UTC (UK) »

Hello Glamis

I think the history of the NZ settlers must be fascinating and I would love to know more abou the social history att hat time.  A couple of thoughts spring to mind reading your posting, and I agree, it must have taken either great spirit to set off into the unknown, or naivety in terms of understanding the hardships they would encounter.  I have no idea of the percentages but a large number of people never actually made it to NZ - lots of ships either sank or burned and if that didn't kill the passengers then illness, starvation and other things certainly did.  I think it was almost as dangerous travelling from NSW as it was from England and Scotland.  Having said that though the wages were much higher than "back home" and many of the immigrants sent money home to feed their families.  Certainly after 1872, when the fighting was largely over, life in NZ must have been a little better for people; labourers wages were about 6 to 8 shillings per day compared with 4 or 5 shillings in England at that time.  So if you were happy to go without fancy clothes perhaps there was some sense in emmigrating.
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Re: "Guaranteed" Immigrants to New Zealand - 1871
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 08 November 09 17:11 UTC (UK) »

SH100, Thanks for replying but this is exactly what puzzles me. This Scottish contingent were wealthy and well connected. Infact one of the daughters who is my Great Grandmother married another NZ notable; himself a settler in 1863 with his parents and siblings of 9 other children. He is quite well placed in NZ society and social history. He had many dealings with Maori landowners and they respected him. So much so that they gave him priceless artifacts. I've posted her story and beyond on the Scotland Rootschat site and his is now being driven by a cousin who is descended from this NZ famous man's sister. That is on the England site of the same. Both families were wealthy, they were educated in their homelands, were well placed and in her case (my great granny's), well connected and didn't seem to have any reason to move so far and to endure so much in getting there.
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Re: "Guaranteed" Immigrants to New Zealand - 1871
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 08 November 09 19:10 UTC (UK) »

Yes, it's a real mystery isn't it?  Thank you very much for letting us know about posting the items onto the websites you mention.  I shall enjoy reading them.  I probably shouldn't mention it, but could the answer be something to do with "seventh sons" or "black sheep"?
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Re: "Guaranteed" Immigrants to New Zealand - 1871
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 08 November 09 20:30 UTC (UK) »

Ooh, I am either being dim but always nice as usual. I have to say I can't say but 'yes' seven sons sound right and 'black sheep' sound right with the farmers!
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