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tawny owl
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I am searching without success, for my Grandfather Charles West, who, on the 1911 census he says he was born in Frensham Surrey. I have searched all records on-line and also personally at the National Archives and at Farnham Parish records for Frensham. Charles states his Father was Richard. Can anyone please help with his birth or parents. I know he was in the Royal Engineers from 1905 to 1908, he married Edith Clara Humphrey in New Romney in 1909, after her death in Cranbrook in 1918 he married Victoria Maud Ruth Bailey in 1919. He was a platelayer on Military Railway in Lydd from 1908 to 1911 when he joined Kent Police He was re-called to the colours in 1913 returning to the police in 1918. He left the Police Force in 1922. He had 2 sons Edward Charles born New Romney 1910 and Ernest Richard Gordon born Cranbrook 1921. I would dearly love to know who his parents were and what happened to him after 1922. Thanks in anticipation.
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avm228
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Hello and a warm welcome 
How old was Charles in 1911?
Anna
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Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)
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avm228
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Also, when did Charles say his father was Richard? Was this on a marriage certificate? If so, what was Richard's occupation said to be?
Anna
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Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)
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suzard
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hello and Welcome to RootsChat
You haven't stated the y.o.b. of Charles
there is this one
1891
4 The Close
Winchester Hampshire
Charles West Boarder 11 Cathedral Chorister and Scholar Frensham Surrey
RG12 937 45 2
there are about a dozen people in the household
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Thornhill, Cresswell, Sisson, Harriman, Cripps, Eyre, Walter, Marson, Battison, Holmes, Bailey, Hardman, Fairhurst Noon-mainly in Derbys/Notts-but also Northampton, Oxford, Leics, Lancs-England Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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casalguidi
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Hi Tawny Owl
Welcome to Rootschat
Would he not be this one 
1901 - Wood Hill, Frensham, Surrey
Eliza WEST head wid 47 b.Chiddingfold Surrey
William son 20 labourer bricklayer b.Frensham
Charles son 17 general carter b.Frensham
Richard Jeffry son 10 b.Frensham
Martha dau 8 b.Frensham
Dorothy dau 6 b.Frensham
RG13/616 folio 79 page 17
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In the 1881 census Eliza's husband is Richard.
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suzard
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I agree - the one at Winchester looks like he is the son of Charles W
This looks loke the family from 1901 in 1891 - but the children are a bit of a puzzle
1891
(next to) Wood Hill Farm Frensham Surrey
Richard West head M 34 carter
Eliza wife 36 Chiddingfold Surrey
William son 11
Matilda daughter 9
jeffry? son 8
Jesse ? 7
all b frensham-excpt Eliza
RG12 570 88 13
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tawny owl
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Hi to all who replied to my 'looking for Grandfather Charles West'
I have come across Charles at Winchester, he is not the correct one.
Charles was 31 on 1911 census. His wife is Edith Clara, and his son Edward Charles is my Father. That is all correct. On his marriage certificates of 1909 and 1919 he states his Father is Richard who was an Engine Driver. Now, if the Frensham family at Wood Hill are where he belongs, some of the dates are confusing. Eliza was a widow in 1901 and her Richard died in 1897.
Charles birth does not appear to have been registered. I suspect he was born 1881/2. He had an older sibling William b. 1880 whose birth I could not verify but I did find Martha and Dorothy. All other info is from census returns which I know cannot aways be relied on.
Thank you for your help.
Tawny Owl
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suzard
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I wonder if the Richard Jeffry West (age 10) in 1901 is really Richard jesse??
Birth reg freeBMD
Richard jesse West
Sept qtr 1889
Farnham
2a 126
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suzard
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There is a marriage FreeBMD
Richard J West
Lucy R Hopwood
Sept qtr 1914
Farnahm
2a 304
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suzard
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I am wondering if the family used their middle names r.g. Jesse - for Richard Jesse
1891 there is a daughter matilda West age 9
this looks like her in 1901
Mariners Inn Frensham
Fanny Matilda West servant U 19 General domestic Frensham
RG13 616 75 10
and to complicate more
her birth reh
Esther Fanny M West
Dec qtr 1881
Farnham
2a 127
think the Father Richard had the middle name of John -and mother had a middle name according to 1881 census
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suzard
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Is this a possiility??
Jesse West age 7 in 1891 is the same person as Charles west age 17 in 1901
his full name being Nicholas Charles jesse West
Birth reg
FreeBMD
Nicholas Charles J West
Jun qtr 1884
Farnham
2a 121
(I have a family in my tree -11 children -all with 2/3/4 forenames and they used one or the other of their forenames -not always the same one!!
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tawny owl
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Yes, I do believe that Charles belongs in the Wood Hill Frensham family. I am just looking for proof. He is with them in 1901 census but not in 1891. I have found a Charles West age 9 in the Childrens Hospital at The Bank in Hornsey Middx on the 1891 census, I wonder whether that is him. If it is, it still does not confirm to me that he is my Grandfather. Although it is looking more so. His Army records seem not to have survived, and Police Records do not have d.o.b. I know all about him from 1905 when he enlisted in the Royal Engineers. His life takes him to New Romney, if in fact he started it in Frensham.
Tawny Owl
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