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Lyndairish
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O"Neill of Whitechurch
« on: Friday 16 October 09 22:15 UTC (UK) »
Hi ,
I am hoping someone will know something about my Great Grandfather James O'Neill b 1851 in England , he was a carriage maker in Whitechurch,Co Wexford (where they also lived) and had up to 15 people working for him. His wife 's name is Sarah ? b 1848. Their daughter Katherine "Katie" was my grandmother. She went to live in Waterford after she married. No one in my family has any info on them, I have found them in the 1911 census, have no idea where they married or are buried.
Lynda
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I am researching my Great Grandparents James (1851) O'Neill and wife Sarah (1848). He was a carriage maker living in Whitechurch, Co Wexford.

Thomas (1843) Walsh and his wife May(1844) a farmer from Rochestown, Co Kilkenny, Ireland

William Washbrook 1776 family of  Shotteswell, Warwickshire, England.
maryderry
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Re: O"Neill of Whitechurch
« Reply #1 on: Monday 19 October 09 01:23 UTC (UK) »
hello lynda,welcome to rootschat, found some births on familysearch.org they may be your family.

MARY 1-2-1873. ELLEN KATE 6-5-1874. MARGARET 13-2-1876. THOMAS 7-5-1877.
all born white church, wexford.

parents. JAMES ONEILL/NEILL & SARAH POWER.

sarah was born kilkenny (according to the census) perhaps thats where they married.


                                                     regards mary.
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Lyndairish
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Re: O"Neill of Whitechurch
« Reply #2 on: Monday 19 October 09 07:10 UTC (UK) »
Hi Mary,
Thank you that sounds very promising and I will try and follow that up.  Its just so frustrating trying to find information when you do not live in the country. 
Thank you so much. 
Lynda
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I am researching my Great Grandparents James (1851) O'Neill and wife Sarah (1848). He was a carriage maker living in Whitechurch, Co Wexford.

Thomas (1843) Walsh and his wife May(1844) a farmer from Rochestown, Co Kilkenny, Ireland

William Washbrook 1776 family of  Shotteswell, Warwickshire, England.
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Re: O"Neill of Whitechurch
« Reply #3 on: Monday 19 October 09 13:10 UTC (UK) »
have you any idea where in england james was born or who his parents were.


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Lyndairish
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Re: O"Neill of Whitechurch
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 20 October 09 19:09 UTC (UK) »
Hi Mary,

I have no idea at all, until  I started researching a while ago and mainly  thanks to the 1911 census,  that gave me  the names of both. I  had no idea who my Great grandparents were at all, on both sides of my fathers family. Very closed mouthed people I guess, then again a lot of that generation can not understand why we need to know at all. Looking for a James O'Neill in England will be next to impossible without any area or parents to focus on.

Cheers Lynda
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I am researching my Great Grandparents James (1851) O'Neill and wife Sarah (1848). He was a carriage maker living in Whitechurch, Co Wexford.

Thomas (1843) Walsh and his wife May(1844) a farmer from Rochestown, Co Kilkenny, Ireland

William Washbrook 1776 family of  Shotteswell, Warwickshire, England.
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Re: O"Neill of Whitechurch
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 21 October 09 00:45 UTC (UK) »
Hi Lynda,

do you know about Irish BMD records on Family Search?

http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#start

If the couple Mary found are yours - there is a marriage that you can send for the details.

Waterford/Kilkenny 1871 Vol 4 pg 1103 Sarah Power matches with a James O'Neill.  You could send for this certificate to http://www.groireland.ie/

A birth certificate for a child would give you the mother's surname.

best wishes
heywood
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Alexander, Suffolk and Lancashire; Ashworth,Whitworth, Grindrod Lancashire; Golden, Duffy County Mayo.
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Re: O"Neill of Whitechurch
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 21 October 09 03:28 UTC (UK) »
Hi Haywood,
Thanks for the info. I am not sure if these name fit with what I found in the 1911 census. They may be a little too early, its hard to tell and I know there may be other siblings that had already left home at that point. Sending for a birth cert is a great idea, I should have thought of that.

Cheers Lynda
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I am researching my Great Grandparents James (1851) O'Neill and wife Sarah (1848). He was a carriage maker living in Whitechurch, Co Wexford.

Thomas (1843) Walsh and his wife May(1844) a farmer from Rochestown, Co Kilkenny, Ireland

William Washbrook 1776 family of  Shotteswell, Warwickshire, England.
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Re: O"Neill of Whitechurch
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 21 October 09 12:31 UTC (UK) »
Hi,
I agree but the marriage date fits with the information from IGI that Mary provided.
If there weren't any older children than in 1911 census then it's probably wrong.
I have just seen them in 1901 census index - only part of Wexford census has been transcribed on this site and luckily Whitechurch has been  Grin
Patrick is the oldest child at 21 yrs on that so perhaps then the marriage for James and Sarah is wrong.

http://www.leitrim-roscommon.com/1901census/census.shtml

It is only an index so there is no other information. One thing though, is that I have in the past seen a birthplace transcribed in that census if it wasn't in the county or country. However that may have depended on the transcriber. Embarrassed

good luck
heywood
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Alexander, Suffolk and Lancashire; Ashworth,Whitworth, Grindrod Lancashire; Golden, Duffy County Mayo.
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Re: O"Neill of Whitechurch
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 21 October 09 17:52 UTC (UK) »
Hello Haywood,
I went to the 1901 site however my Irish luck has forsaken me I could not get a match for anything I tried. I am very new to computers and may have missed a step ? Have you had any luck sending for birth certs without the full birth date? I agree that this would be next step to find info on both sides of my fathers family.

Regards Lynda
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I am researching my Great Grandparents James (1851) O'Neill and wife Sarah (1848). He was a carriage maker living in Whitechurch, Co Wexford.

Thomas (1843) Walsh and his wife May(1844) a farmer from Rochestown, Co Kilkenny, Ireland

William Washbrook 1776 family of  Shotteswell, Warwickshire, England.
heywood
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Re: O"Neill of Whitechurch
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 21 October 09 21:51 UTC (UK) »
Hi Lynda,
not sure if you couldn't access that 1901 info- not much anyway but this is how you can do it:
1) open that reference
2) scroll to the yellow and green boxes
3) Drop down box for County- Wexford
4) Head of household Surname- O' Neill
5) Head of household Given name - James

you don't need to fill all boxes - click submit

Only four options and yours is one of them.

I have sent for certificates- they can send you a photocopy of the entry rather than certificate- it is cheaper and you have the actual entry rather than someone copying (prevents spelling errors etc)
I have done it without some of the info- you have quite a lot though:
names of parents
occupation of father
place
approximate year - I think they search 2 yrs either side.
I would go for it.  Sometimes I have written it as a letter with the info set out like that rather than leave gaps on the form but just see what is best.  Wink
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Alexander, Suffolk and Lancashire; Ashworth,Whitworth, Grindrod Lancashire; Golden, Duffy County Mayo.
Lyndairish
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Re: O"Neill of Whitechurch
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 22 October 09 01:55 UTC (UK) »
Hi Haywood,
Thank you I was inputting way to much info, I was unable to find my other grand parents so I'll have to give it some time tomorrow. That a good idea to attach a letter with all the info. My family are calling out for food now so I'd better go and feed them. This is so addictive and I spend way too much time on line, for someone who never used a computer very much up to 6 months ago.

Many thanks,
Lynda
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I am researching my Great Grandparents James (1851) O'Neill and wife Sarah (1848). He was a carriage maker living in Whitechurch, Co Wexford.

Thomas (1843) Walsh and his wife May(1844) a farmer from Rochestown, Co Kilkenny, Ireland

William Washbrook 1776 family of  Shotteswell, Warwickshire, England.
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Re: O"Neill of Whitechurch
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 22 October 09 10:33 UTC (UK) »
Good luck with it all - just to say that sadly not all of Wexford has been transcribed for 1901 -
http://www.leitrim-roscommon.com/1901census/

shows you which civil parishes have been done - Whitechurch was only partly done but luckily your family are there.
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Alexander, Suffolk and Lancashire; Ashworth,Whitworth, Grindrod Lancashire; Golden, Duffy County Mayo.
Lyndairish
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Re: O"Neill of Whitechurch
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 27 October 09 18:54 UTC (UK) »
Hi Everyone, I have sent for photocopies of their birth certs, I hope they are quick any ideas on how long they can take?
Cheers Lynda

PS I was told by the office in Roscommon, that the copies would be ready for mailing after 7 days. That's not bad .
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I am researching my Great Grandparents James (1851) O'Neill and wife Sarah (1848). He was a carriage maker living in Whitechurch, Co Wexford.

Thomas (1843) Walsh and his wife May(1844) a farmer from Rochestown, Co Kilkenny, Ireland

William Washbrook 1776 family of  Shotteswell, Warwickshire, England.
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Re: O"Neill of Whitechurch
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 14 November 09 07:13 UTC (UK) »
Hi All,

Received the copy of Kate's birth cert., today and found that the surname is written as Neill not O'Neill ? and her mothers maiden name is Power and the 1911 census said she was from Co. Kilkenny . James was a cooper in 1883.

Regards Lynda
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I am researching my Great Grandparents James (1851) O'Neill and wife Sarah (1848). He was a carriage maker living in Whitechurch, Co Wexford.

Thomas (1843) Walsh and his wife May(1844) a farmer from Rochestown, Co Kilkenny, Ireland

William Washbrook 1776 family of  Shotteswell, Warwickshire, England.
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Re: O"Neill of Whitechurch
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 14 November 09 10:25 UTC (UK) »
Hello Lynda,

that's good news - a bit more information for your research  Wink

The certificate confirms the info already here that Mary found in IGI and the marriage which I refer to in Irish BMDs.
You could now send for that certificate and get a bit more info re James and Sarah Power.

good luck

heywood
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Alexander, Suffolk and Lancashire; Ashworth,Whitworth, Grindrod Lancashire; Golden, Duffy County Mayo.
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