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Topic: SMITH Family - Cordwainer, Chard (Read 293 times)
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stuartstevens
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We are planning a trip to Chard in 2010 and trying to do everything we can to maximize our time. We are from the USA. The family we are researching is in the 1841-1871 census. John Smith b. ca 1803 in Chard, a cordwainer, his wife Amy a shoe binder and their three children Sarah, Ruth and Thomas H.
We have found a record that seems to indicate Amy Newberry and John Smith were married in Somerset in 1839. Sarah was born in 1841, Thomas in 1844 and Ruth E. (our line) in 1851. Both Ruth and Thomas came to the Missouri before 1880. Thomas Henry Smith died in St. Louis Mo in 1911 and Ruth E. Smith Wilson, his sister, died in San Antonio Texas in 1928.
We want to find out all we can about the family -- lineage, tombstones, marriages parentage etc. when we visit and are hoping to have as much information collected in advance as possible.
Was there a shoe making factory in Chard or were the cordwainers all indivodial businessmen?
Is their a cemetery in Chard we can find burial records?
Does anyone have information on the Newberry family. I believe she was of Dorset and not Chard.
Any guidance would be gratefully apprecited.
Barbara Stevnes
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wozzle
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this might help you a bit
1871
RG10/2405/22/35
john smith age 68. b. chard. occ. cordwainer. head
amy age 53. b. chardstock,dorset. occ. shoe binder. wife
ruth age 20. b. chard. occ. sewing machinist.daughter.
living at; bath street,chard,somerset
there is this christening in 1818 in chardstock
name; amy newberry
christening date; 7th june 1818
place; chardstock,dorset
parents; amos/ann newberry
if you want the 1861,1851,1841 census entries then i will look for them in these years.
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stuartstevens
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Wow,
How great.
I have the census records because they are available on Ancestry.com.
But how do I get a copy of that christening? That is wonderful!
Do the Christenings go back far enough to cover John Smith. The census says he was born in Chard ca 1803?
Thank you so much for the help.
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AngelaR
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My great grandparents Basil & Sarah Sealey
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Hi Barbara
Welcome to Rootschat 
Baptisms for Chard, and in fact a large part of Somerset, have been transcribed and are available on FreeReg ( www.freereg.org.uk ). I've checked and there is no John Smith baptised there around that period. Sorry about that!
There were and are lots of small villages close to Chard where John could have been baptised. It's a strange area because it's very close to the Somerset/Dorset/Devon border so people look like they've strayed a long way when it might only be a couple of miles.
Another (free) resource you might like to investigate is the collection of Somerset Yahoo Groups. They're divided up into hundreds (ancient regional term comprising a variable number of parishes. The people on these groups are very helpful and many have detailed local knowledge and there are quite a few sets of transcriptions of parish records on there. I would suggest you joined the overall one for Somerset (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/somersetfamilyhistory/) and also the one for the Chard region (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kingsburyeast/)
Can I ask where you found the record for John and Amy's marriage? If it was indeed in 1839, you are in luck because that is after the start of civil registration and getting hold of the marriage certificate should give father's names (if any) for both parties.
I have a few other ideas but that will do for one post, I think!
Regards
Angela
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AngelaR
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My great grandparents Basil & Sarah Sealey
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Just another couple of things I found -
John Smith married Amy Newbery in Chardstock on 2 May 1839. The extract I'm looking at doesn't show father's names but the full certificate should do, always supposing John wasn't illegitimate! I'm sure it's the right marriage because John's place of residence at the time is given as Winsham, which is where the family are in the 1841, and his occupation is shoemaker, which is right. If you want to send off for the certificate, you could either contact the record office currently holding the registers, which is in Honiton, email sreast@devon.gov.uk or order it through the General Record Office, in which case the reference is 'JUN 1839 Axminster 10 1'
FreeReg has the baptism of their daughter Sarah Ann on 21st Feb 1841 and also Second daughter Mary Hine on 25 Jan 1842. Both of these are at Winsham before they moved to Chard sometime before 1851. Unfortunately, the transcriptions of Winsham baptisms on FreeReg stops at 1843, but someone on the Kingsbury East group I mentioned might be able to look up Thomas's (and any others that died).
The Dorset baptisms that Mick found for you aren't on FreeReg but they are on FindMyPast, in transcription form (getting hold of images of baptismal entries isn't easy), but they are full transcriptions.
Hope this helps
Angela
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stuartstevens
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Wow, what great information.
I found a register of marriages on Ancestry.com which gave the only the quarter and took some delving to determine the spouse. I did not find the exact date just the quarter the marriage was registered.
I do find the civil districts a little confusing, I have found some old maps and have been consulting them to try to make sense of where they were. I have been working on this in preparation for a trip there next May to the area. I was really dismayed to see that the Somerset Records Office is moving and we will have limited access to records. So, trying to get as much done in advance.
There is a chest of information, letters and such from the daughter Ruth who came here to the USA just before 1880. I am going over on Thursday to go through it again.
The information about Mary Hine's birth was new to me. I have found Sarah Ann and Thomas in the census and Thomas came with Ruth to the USA so I have both of their death certificates, but neither mentions the mother's name.
This is such wonderful information! I am off to the cited web sites to try my luck. Thank you so much for the help.
P.S. Is there a site which lists cemeteries in and around Chard?
Thanks again for everything.
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AngelaR
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My great grandparents Basil & Sarah Sealey
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Hi Barbara
I've found some other bits and pieces you might be interested in so am sending you a private message separately.
About churchyards - a lot of burials for Somerset area have been transcribed and are on FreeReg. Others are part of the National Burial Index and a lot of that is on FindMyPast.
You are so right about civil districts being confusing! The register offices (as opposed to record offices) changed a lot in terms of the areas they covered since civil registration started. What confuses things even more is that those districts were pretty well a new invention in 1837 and were superimposed on previous area definitions based on parishes and groups of parishes. The earlier definitions didn't fall out of use then either! Depending on the particular records you are after, you need to know which system that applies to them - great learning experience though
Marriages after 1837 are a typical example of the problem. A lot of them took place in churches, so one copy of the marriage certificate details stayed with the church in their marriage register - that's the record I found. Early registers are now mainly found in county Record Offices under the parish system. Another copy stays in the local Register Office - they have their own indexing and storage methods. They forwarded another copy to the General Register Office, who indexed them in the way you found in Ancestry. You can get at the original record through any of these routes but each one uses different indexing criteria. Hope that makes sense.
Anyway, enough confusion for one post.....
Regards
Angela
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bicker
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Hi Barbara
If you have not found it already there is a good web site for Winsham at
http://www.winshamwebmuseum.co.uk/
I have photocopies from the Winsham parish records for the baptisms of Sarah Ann and Mary, if you send me a pm I can e mail them to you. I could not find a baptism for Thomas at Winsham or Thomas and Ruth at Chard when I looked today.
Regards Heather
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stuartstevens
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I just went to the site and it is really interesting. I am wondering whether the church in the photo is the church in which Amy Newberry and John Smith were married in 1839. What a beautiful little town this is.
Thank you very much for your help.
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Clever clogs
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I too have ancestors who were in Chardstock and some generations later then moved to Chard.
If you haven't seen this website already, go to this link for Chardstock, which is packed with information on this parish.
http://www.chardstockwebmuseum.org/index.html
Also see here
http://www.chardstock.org.uk/
NEWBER(R)Y was certainly an established name in Chardstock, so you should find a lot of data for them.
If you want to look at original records for Chardstock, you will need to visit the Devon Records Office at Exeter.
Info for Chard is at Taunton, and although the record office is due to relocate, you may be lucky and find that the existing premises are still open when you come over. Not everything is housed at the records office though. For instance, microfilmed copies of old newspapers are located in the reference section of the library in town.
If the family were Church of England, burials would have taken place at St Mary's in Chard, which is the old parish church. You can see a picture of the church here in the online images section
http://www.somerset.gov.uk/archives/
I will have a look tomorrow, see if I can see a christening for John in Chard.
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Clever clogs
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Had a look in Chard records but no baptisms for John between 1800 and 1811. I also noted that there were no other SMITH baptisms either, so this makes me wonder if John's family were Baptists or Congregationalists perhaps. Chard had several Non-Conformist chapels/churches, so maybe that's a possible line of enquiry to pursue elsewhere.
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