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Yorkslass
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Hello all,
I've been searching for Joseph Norris's parents/marriage for the last 18 years.
I have what I think is his baptism - St. Botolph, Aldersgate April 20 1828, parents Joseph and Mary, living in Glasshouse yard. I got this years ago when I went to the Guildhall in London.
His father is shown as Joseph Norris, deceased, pewterer on Joseph jnrs marriage to Maria Sawyer in 1851.
Oooh I thought, a "proper" profession, so I wrote to the Worshipful Company of Pewterers - who were very helpful but couldn't find a Joseph Norris and it was more likely he just worked in a pewter factory. Hopes dashed.
I have Joseph jnr and his family on censuses between 1861 and 1891, and he's pretty consistent with his birthplace - Aldgate or Whitechapel.
When the LMA records came online, I thought yes, this is it - I'll find them!
I haven't.
I've put this family on the back burner time and time again - I can't think of what else to do - is it time to give up?
Yorkslass
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Norris, London 1800's
Bird, Gt Yarmouth 1800's
Smowton, Yarmouth/Norwich 1770
Dublack, Yarmouth
Binks, Essex
Wilcock, Lancashire
Kettlewell, Yorkshire
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janan
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Never give up - one day, probably when you aren't actively looking, something will pop up.
I didn't notice you said Joseph senior was deceased in 1851 so was looking on censuses - found a Joseph born c1798 and Mary in Glasshouse Yd in 1871, Joseph is a labourer RG10/420/67 Pg22. Of course that doesn't mean the baptism is wrong as I have marriage certs saying father deceased when I know he wasn't.
Jan 
In 61 he is a Silver finisher and a silver polisher in 51 and Silversmith in 41 - right sort of occupation but wrong metal 
If they are the right couple Mary's birthplace is Kingston Surrey in 71 - have you checked Surrey for marriages?
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ALL CENSUS DATA INCLUDED IN POSTINGS IS CROWN COPYRIGHT, FROM www.nationalarchives.gov.ukbedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell buckinghamshire- pain cambridgeshire- bird, carver hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey derbyshire- allsop, noon devon - griffin, love, rapsey dorset- rendall, gale somerset- rendall, churchill surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge |
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Yorkslass
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Posts: 384
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Hi Janan,
Thank you so much. They're off the back burner again!
It's an avenue I hadn't tried - I just took it for granted that Joseph senior had died before 1851 so didn't look for him.
It's such a coincidence isn't it - that they moved back to Glasshouse Yard....and that he's a metal worker.
I shall start looking again. It's really cheered me up, thank you.
Yorkslass
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Norris, London 1800's
Bird, Gt Yarmouth 1800's
Smowton, Yarmouth/Norwich 1770
Dublack, Yarmouth
Binks, Essex
Wilcock, Lancashire
Kettlewell, Yorkshire
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janan
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I shall start looking again. It's really cheered me up, thank you.
Yorkslass
Glad to have helped 
Jan
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ALL CENSUS DATA INCLUDED IN POSTINGS IS CROWN COPYRIGHT, FROM www.nationalarchives.gov.ukbedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell buckinghamshire- pain cambridgeshire- bird, carver hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey derbyshire- allsop, noon devon - griffin, love, rapsey dorset- rendall, gale somerset- rendall, churchill surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge |
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Yorkslass
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Posts: 384
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Thank you Chazbaz,
Thanks for replying, and for explaining about the link between pewter and silver. I did go to the Guildhall years ago, but just looked at the Livery Company Registers for pewterers.
I'm hoping I can prove a link to this Joseph Norris who was a silversmith - I just can't understand why Joseph the "younger" (born 1828) is not still with the family in 1841.....and worried too that Mary Norris seems a bit young to have a thirteen year old child, although I do know that ages were rounded down.
Thanks again,
Yorkslass
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Norris, London 1800's
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Smowton, Yarmouth/Norwich 1770
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Binks, Essex
Wilcock, Lancashire
Kettlewell, Yorkshire
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jennifer c
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Hi, Have you looked at 1841 census HO107/710/book10 folio 11 Keate Street Spitalfields
Ellen Bourne 50 Launderess Ireland
Catherine Bourne 15 Silk winder Ireland
Sarah Paffee? 40 Ind.
Mary Ware 20 Ind.
Mary Norris 35 Ind.
Joseph 12
Thomas 9 All born in the county.
Joseph's age fits and husband could be deceased?
Jennifer
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Yorkslass
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Hello Jennifer,
Thanks for your reply, and for taking the time to look at this.
Yes, I had seen that one, and that, to be honest was the one I had thought could be "mine", and I despaired.
I'm not sure what "Ind" means, on the occupation/profession column. I thought it meant "independent means", but I can't quite fathom out why someone of independent means would be living in a common lodging house in Keate Street.
Also, I couldn't find the same family in the 1851 census - I simply can't find a possible Joseph Norris.
I've found a possible death of Joseph Norris senior - in 1836, from the Whitechapel Workhouse, aged 44, but it gives so little detail, and I think that was the straw that broke the camels back! You know, the possibility that his body was used for dissection at a local hospital - ugh!
That's why I was so keen to follow Janan's new lead - but I fear I won't be able to prove a link and I will never get anywhere with this family.
Oh dear, this is very maudlin isn't it?
I am really grateful for everyone's input in this - it's nice when people take the trouble to help.
Thanks again,
Yorkslass
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Norris, London 1800's
Bird, Gt Yarmouth 1800's
Smowton, Yarmouth/Norwich 1770
Dublack, Yarmouth
Binks, Essex
Wilcock, Lancashire
Kettlewell, Yorkshire
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