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1843 MUZZELL marriage look-up please - Completed
« on: Monday 19 October 09 12:53 UTC (UK) »

I have found a possible marriage for my 2x great grandparents in the Ancestry indexes.   It took place in Q2 1843 and was registered in Dorchester district.   The groom was Patrick COUGHLIN, but who was the bride?   I would very much like it to be Jane MUZZELL and also for Patrick to be a soldier.   Please can anyone check this out for me?

Many thanks indeed,

Diana
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Re: 1843 MUZZELL marriage look-up please
« Reply #1 on: Monday 19 October 09 12:56 UTC (UK) »

Hi:  from your other post on Deciphering - I had a check on FreeBMD and the entry for Patrick Coughlin has Jane Muzzell on the same page, so I had a look at the GRO index page for her - and it couldn't be mistaken for any other surname than Muzzell.  Hope this helps

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Re: 1843 MUZZELL marriage look-up please
« Reply #2 on: Monday 19 October 09 13:01 UTC (UK) »

Hi BumbeB

Thank you for your reply.   I am thinking more and more that it must say MUZZELL but the confirmation of this probably being the right marriage would be a great help before I get the certificate.

Diana
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Re: 1843 MUZZELL marriage look-up please
« Reply #3 on: Monday 19 October 09 13:19 UTC (UK) »

You can see it for yourself.  If you search for Patrick's marriage on FreeBMD it will show you the page number, I think it was 99, and if you click on that number then it will show you all the other names on that page of the Dorchester marriages in that quarter.  Next to Jane Muzzell's name there is a picture of a pair of spectacles.  Click on the specs and a new screen will open,  on it there is an option to view the original - if you click on that it will open a scan of the index page for M, you can then drag it around until you find Muzzell, top of right hand column if I remember rightly.  Smiley

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Re: 1843 MUZZELL marriage look-up please
« Reply #4 on: Monday 19 October 09 14:19 UTC (UK) »

Hi BumbleB

The FreeBMD site shows Jane MUZZELL as a possible wife for Patrick COUGHLIN.   The other  possibilities are Mary HELLARD and Marianne WEBBER.

I've been buying quite a lot of certificates recently and the cost adds up.   I was hoping there might be an index to marriages in Dorset that would help settle the matter before I get yet another one.

Regards,

Diana
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Re: 1843 MUZZELL marriage look-up please
« Reply #5 on: Monday 19 October 09 14:29 UTC (UK) »

I did also have a look on OPC for Dorset, unfortunately all the marriages on there for Dorchester stop at 1837, and the Register Office haven't put their records on line at all.  Some of the Yorkshire Register Offices via UKBMD have put scant details of BMDs on line - for marriages it shows the church and the bride and groom, which is quite handy  Smiley and would suit you down to the ground.

Sorry if I've messed up your quest by jumping in too quickly.

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Re: 1843 MUZZELL marriage look-up please
« Reply #6 on: Monday 19 October 09 14:49 UTC (UK) »

Hi BumbleB

No need to apologise!   I'm very grateful that you took the trouble to try to help me out.   If I don't get any further after a few days I will go for the certificate.

Many thanks,

Diana
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Re: 1843 MUZZELL marriage look-up please
« Reply #7 on: Monday 19 October 09 15:29 UTC (UK) »

Have you followed any of them in the 1851?
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Re: 1843 MUZZELL marriage look-up please
« Reply #8 on: Monday 19 October 09 15:41 UTC (UK) »

Hi Hepburn

I have been trying to find them in 1851 and 1861 with no success.

Regards,

Diana
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Re: 1843 MUZZELL marriage look-up please
« Reply #9 on: Monday 19 October 09 16:00 UTC (UK) »

Apologies if this way off the mark, but is this your Jane Coughlin in 1881?

Victoria Barracks 8th Brigade Depot, Beverley, Yorkshire

William Watts head 38  Private 15th Regiment              London
Jane M Watts wife 27                                                   Ireland
Charles Watts  son 6                                                    Aldershot, Hants
Alfred Watts     son 4                                                     Barnsley [?] Yorks
Sarah watts      daur 2                                                   Sheffield, Yorks
William Watts    son  1                                                   Beverley, Yorks
Jane Coughlin mother of wife  62 widow                 

Jane Coughlin's birthplace is hard to read - it has been transcribed as 'Surrey, Brighton Saffron' , but there doesn't seem to be any such place.  The middle word is almost certainly Brighton.   

If it is your Jane there are two possible records on the IGI:

Jane MUZZEL  1819 Newtimber, Sussex (not far from Brighton)
Jane MUZZALL 1820 Brighton, Sussex
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Re: 1843 MUZZELL marriage look-up please
« Reply #10 on: Monday 19 October 09 16:09 UTC (UK) »

Hi Galium

It might well be!   Patrick & Jane's daughter Sarah was born in Brighton in 1857, so that is a very promising lead and I will look into it.

Many thanks,

Diana
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Re: 1843 MUZZELL marriage look-up please - Completed
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 24 October 09 20:44 UTC (UK) »

I ordered the marriage certificate and it came in the post today.   It was the right marriage.   They married in the parish of Fordington on 22nd June 1843.   

Jane's father was a gardener called James MUZZELL, so that is making the Newtimber baptism look hopeful.   Sadly I still can't find Jane or her father in 1841 and I now know that Patrick was in India with the army then.   In 1851 he began collecting his pension in Dublin, so that explains why I can't find him or Jane in that census.

Many thanks to all who helped.

Diana
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