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tulipoo
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Penny, welcome to rc. I did sometime ago have contact with a lady
who knew a lot about the Barkers in Yorkshire. Whether this covers your
family I do not know. I will try to find her contact details.
Of course there are "millions" of them in Yorkshire. I will see what I can
find, but good luck in the meantime.
Ian
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tulipoo
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Penny, I did find a reference to someone searching Barkers in North Yorkshire.
They are on the curious fox website. It will cost you a fiver to join.
I honestly think rootschat members will come to your aid, so hang in there.
Ian
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Hi Penny
Your William Barker and his family are in Filey in 1851. He does not appear on the census, but he is on the named index for that census. There is only one child, Robert aged two.
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Scarborough HO107/2368 Folio 11 Page 14
William Barker Head M 30 Farm Labourer Yorkshire Gristhorp
Sarah do Wife M 23 Yorkshire Little Beck
Robert do Son 2 Scholar Yorkshire Gristhorp
Ann Blackburn Visitor M 32 Ag Lab Wife Yorkshire Little Beck
King St, Muston, Filey, Yorkshire
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In the last quarter of 1850 there is a possible marriage registration, in Scarborough, between a Henry Blackburn and an Ann Nellis.
The visitor on the 1851 census entry, Ann Blackburn, is probably the older sister of Sarah
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posteria
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Hello Penny
I have not found that family on the 1841 census but IGI batch C007702 is interesting, in that it contains the following christenings at Filey ....
William Barker 2/10/1820
Abraham Barker 18/9/1826
Robert Barker 9/4/1829
All three are shown to have parents John and Mary Barker.
http://www.familysearch.org/eng/default.asp
IGI batch C106371 also contains the christening of Mary Ann Barker at Muston on 7/1/1833 and she also has parents called John and Mary Barker.
The age and birthplace of Mary on the 1851 census are exact matches. The age of Abraham on the 1851 census is an exact match (and Gristhorpe would fall within Filey).
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This might be them (with some over zealous rounding of their ages, by the enumerator) .....
1841
Scarborough HO107/1260/11 Folio 5 Page 4
John Barker 30 Ag Lab
Mary do 30
Robert do 10
Mary Ann do 5
Gristhorp, Filey, Yorkshire
All born in Yorkshire
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IGI batch C044341 contains a christening on 4/4/1819 at St John the Baptist, Cayton by Scarborough for a Priscilla Barker. Her parents were called John and Mary.
This might be her (and her brother ?) .....
1841
Scarborough HO107/1215/4 Folio 10 Page 14
William Foster 60 Farmer
Jane do 50
William do 30
Jane do 25
Edith do 15
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William Carroll 50 M.S
William Barker 20 M.S
Priscilla do 20 F.S
Grange, Muston, Yorkshire
All born in Yorkshire. Ages rounded
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Despite what it says on the 1841 census, the 1851 entry, at Scarborough HO107/2368 Folio 68 Page 6, indicates that both John and Mary were born around 1796.
IGI batch M106371 has a marriage on 12/1/1819 at Muston between a John Barker and a Mary Hick.
The 1851 census also indicates that Mary was from Cayton. IGI batch C044341 contains a christening on 10/4/1796 at St John, Cayton by Scarborough for a Mary Hick. Her parents are shown as William and Ann.
The information in this and the previous three posts all seems to fit but it really needs some other corroboration before the conclusions (which can be drawn from it) are accepted as being correct.
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I am not sure what other documents could be found in the English records that would be helpful. John and Mary’s children all precede civil registration. I was thinking more, for instance, about members of the family being found, as visitors, at each other’s houses after marriage or the use of surnames as middle names for some of their children and suchlike. Unfortunately, having now had a look, there does not seem to be anything of that kind.
I think Priscilla married William Cockerill in 1845 and that Mary Ann married George Hall in 1853. Both are easily visible on subsequent census returns. Whilst a few of their respective children were given the same names as used by the Barker family (and there are instances of Barker being used as a middle name) the name Hick is never used and none of them seem to be visiting their siblings or aunts and uncles etc on census nights.
William, of course, used Robert and Abraham as the names of his first two sons. They then emigrated to Australia and you will know what other names he subsequently used for later children.
I am not sure what happened to William’s brothers, Robert and Abraham after 1841 and 1851 respectively but there does not seem to be anything for them which would help any further in the English records.
It all looks right and should perhaps be “pencilled in” for the time being, until something turns up which might serve as confirmation or proof.
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Thank you all for your input and this great information. This certainly helps. My information gives Roberts birth as 1848 and Abraham as 1850. I have been trying to find Wm and family in Canada in 1851 since their next child was born in Canada in 1852 but I could not find any passenger records. Now I know where they were in 1851. I will check the bmd for birthdates. Sarah did have an older sister Ann, so that is probably the connection there. I appreciate everyones help and thank you for the good wishes Ian. The members have already given me great help. Thank you.