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Topic: Collins (Read 147 times)
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CaroleW
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Barney 1993-2005
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Re: Collins
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 20 October 09 21:06 UTC (UK) » |
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Hi and welcome to Rootschat
Need a lot more info I'm afraid
When was he born and where - please do not post details if he is likely to still be alive
Was he married - if so - wife and childrens names please but same rules apply as above
When you say "looking for" - can you clarify exactly what info you are looking for
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CaroleW
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Re: Collins
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 20 October 09 21:09 UTC (UK) » |
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There is a John Austin Collins marriage in Fulham in 1910 on freebmd but a female name is missing on the same page - shows 2 males but only one female called Elizabeth Maud Weekley
There is also one in 1889 in Richmond Surrey
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nigelp
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Re: Collins
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 20 October 09 21:25 UTC (UK) » |
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John Austin Collins (Bachelor, Commercial Clerk, looks like age 42 - last digit not clear) married Elizabeth Maud Weekley (Spinster, age 32) on 14 Feb 1910 at Saint Oswald, Anselm Road. John states he was the son of Patrick Collins (deceased, Doctor). Elizabeth says she was the daughter of Thomas Weekley (deceased, retired tradesman).
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CaroleW
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Barney 1993-2005
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Re: Collins
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 21 October 09 12:28 UTC (UK) » |
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Hi
Neither Luke nor Ella are shown on the 1911 under Collins. I have searched under Botto as well but no trace
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jorose
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Re: Collins
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 21 October 09 12:42 UTC (UK) » |
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I would suggest that they may have had another child.
Winifred Ellen Collins was b. Fulham district Dec 1906 quarter and probably died as Winifred Ellen Botto the next year (Dec 1907 quarter, also Fulham).
I wonder if John and Isabella separated between the birth of Winifred in 1906 and her death in 1907?
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jorose
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Re: Collins
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 22 October 09 12:19 UTC (UK) » |
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freebmd.rootsweb.com just shows the index of the birth, and at that time doesn't show the mother's maiden name - you'd have to purchase the birth certificate to be sure, but it looks quite possible.
What name is given at birth and death depends on the informant.
So if, say, John Austin Philip Collins registered the birth of his daughter Winifred and said he was married and his wife was Isabella nee Botto, or if Isabella registered the birth and said that she was Isabella Collins nee Botto, husband John, that is what would be put on the birth certificate.
Remember that there is not a place on the birth certificate for "surname of child". If the parents are married (or say they are), the certificate is indexed by the father's surname. If there is only the mother given, the certificate is indexed by her surname.
Then if Isabella registered the death and at that time in 1907 was using the name Botto, she might have said her daughters name was Winifred Ellen Botto. Or if someone else registered it - if Winifred had gone into a hospital or children's home and they knew her as Winifred Ellen the daughter of Isabella Botto, then they of course wouldn't put "Collins" on the certificate.
I think these two certificates - birth in 1906 and death in 1907 - would be very interesting as they might give more information on the time period during which Isabella and John probably separated.
Do you have Isabella on the 1901 census, btw? On http://www.1901censusonline.com/ it appears she is in Paddington as "Botte".
I think it's interesting to see that in freebmd there is the "first" marriage in 1889 of John Austin Collins - the man who was in his 40s in 1910 could have been the same as married 20 years earlier. I think he may have married Mary Margaret E Higham and there is a death for Mary Margaret E Collins in 1894, aged 25, in Wandsworth.
So this would give us:
1889: married in Richmond to Mary Margaret E Highham
1891 census: 
1894: wife Mary Margaret E Collins dies
1901 census:
Meets Isabella, has two/three children, possibly without marriage
1910: marries, claiming to be a bachelor
1911 census:
I believe Mary Margaret is in the 1881 census in Wandsworth; she was b. Scotland her parents b. Yorkshire.
In the 1911 census Emma Higham appears to be living with her granddaughter Florence Gertrude May Collins (b. late 1891)
I think they are also in the 1901 census in Paddington together (would be worth checking to see if anybody else was with them, I can only pick them up on the index and not the full information).
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