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Topic: Hall/Stewart help please. (Read 590 times)
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cosmac
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John Franklin Hall was actually the son of the Thomas Hall in Oshawa. However the Hall in Howick Huron is not yours either. I'm trying to figure out my notes! The births for the children are not registered under Thomas but John Hall and Eliza Greenaway. John S. Hall, Mary Ann Hall and Joseph (early and late birth registrations) all show Eliza Greenaway.
In 1891 Goderick, Huron West there was another possibility but children are attributed to Thomas Hall and Eliza Armstrong.
I don't think they remained in Canada. I can't pull them up on census (they could be there under a weird transcription) but I also can't find them looking for children's births, deaths or marriages.
I thought that the 1881 census in Oro, Simcoe North for James Stewart and Phoebe was Eliza's brother using his middle name. Again they're eliminated. You can follow them in census. 1891 they're in the same location, 1901 James has died and "Pheby" runs a boarding house in Barrie, Simcoe North with 3 of her children with her.
The death of Harriet Maria and the marriage of Elizabeth Amelia and Annie Mary all show parents of James Stewart and Phoebe Cannon. Harriet's death shows James originating in Scotland.
Debbie
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cosmac
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The death for George James Hall referred to previously shows he was born Dec 15, 1857 in Ireland to Thomas Hall and Lizzie Stewart both of Ireland. Died Dec 2, 1934 at New Toronto, York County, Ontario with his wife, Elizabeth, the informant. Had been in Ontario for 22 years.
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hallmark
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The names is Dave!!
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The death for George James Hall referred to previously shows he was born Dec 15, 1857 in Ireland to Thomas Hall and Lizzie Stewart both of Ireland. Died Dec 2, 1934 at New Toronto, York County, Ontario with his wife, Elizabeth, the informant. Had been in Ontario for 22 years.
Debbie
Hi Debbie, thanks. That is the other couple with same names, they came from Co Cavan and were grocers. They were still in Ireland in 1871. It looks right but it is not my couple.
Mine come from Co Monaghan. Any children born to my couple would be Canadian.
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Hall family, Tyrone and Monaghan..Swan/n family also and a pile of others too! Seems everyone is related to each other....Stewart, Longmoore, Wright...
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J.J.
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Grasping at straws here, and it IS a submission, not an extracted file...and perhaps mere coincidence as both are common names but there is this birth of a Jane Ann Stewart c 1861
parents listed as William James Stewart and Phoebe Ellen Adams in Ireland
This would be after the marriage in 1860...
If you name the sister and what you know about her perhaps someone can find her on the census and look for family in proximity ....If she came to Canada, then perhaps she has located near the family and they might be easier to find, because if they are there, they are mistranscribed,,,J.J.
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hallmark
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Grasping at straws here, and it IS a submission, not an extracted file...and perhaps mere coincidence as both are common names but there is this birth of a Jane Ann Stewart c 1861 parents listed as William James Stewart and Phoebe Ellen Adams in Ireland
This would be after the marriage in 1860...
If you name the sister and what you know about her perhaps someone can find her on the census and look for family in proximity ....If she came to Canada, then perhaps she has located near the family and they might be easier to find, because if they are there, they are mistranscribed,,,J.J.
Thank you very much J J Could be from "the marriage of Eliza Jane Stewart's brother William James Stewart also in York county on 7 June 1860.
William James Stewart married Ph(o)ebe Adams, daughter of George Adams and Ruth Manillock (Manllock)."
I don't have other sisters, just the brother/sister William James and Eliza Jane Stewart.
William James Stewart was her brother so this submission looks good as a hint. Member submissions can be misleading but worth investigating. looks like I'll need to investigate the Stewarts here to see if there are other siblings...
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Hall family, Tyrone and Monaghan..Swan/n family also and a pile of others too! Seems everyone is related to each other....Stewart, Longmoore, Wright...
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cosmac
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I think JJ was referring to the sister of Thomas Hall you mentioned in a previous post who came to Canada later.
Debbie
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J.J.
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A suggestion Hallmark...that next time you make a thread, tell everyone basically what you have already cancelled out, as we have searched through what you already have... just to hear you say, " yes, I know, I have that"
I like to follow a thread through, but in this case...I'll use the notify button
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hallmark
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This is what I posted...
I have the marriage of Thomas Hall, (Irish) age 23, to Eliza Jane Stewart, (Irish) age 24, at St Mary's Presbyterian Church, Toronto on 15 January 1858, (York County). The Stewarts and Halls were from Monaghan Ireland.
After that nothing!
Can anyone advise on (a) Where to look to try and find when they arrived in Canada? and (b) Where to look for births for Thomas and Eliza please?
Another snippet is the marriage of Eliza Jane Stewart's brother William James Stewart also in York county on 7 June 1860.
So I have my Thomas Hall, son of Matthew Hall and Hannah Lyons and 4 other names..Eliza Jane Stewart, William James Stewart, their father John Stewart and their mother Elizabeth Martin.
William James Stewart married Ph(o)ebe Adams, daughter of George Adams and Ruth Manillock (Manllock).
I would be very grateful for help on tracing Thomas and Eliza Jane, thank you."
The first confusion was if they were Irish or not..which I clarified.
I ruled the Cavan ones out ages ago (as per post) which informed readers that there was a similar couple but from Cavan...I had a possible death...this has since been ruled out.
I still only have the marriage of Thomas Hall, (Definitely Irish) age 23, to Eliza Jane Stewart, (Definitely Irish) age 24, at St Mary's Presbyterian Church, Toronto on 15 January 1858, (York County). The Stewarts and Halls were from Monaghan Ireland (not Cavan)...
George James Hall has been ruled out thanks to cosmac..
Nothing was cancelled out when I made the thread...they were cancelled out thanks to cosmac and polarbear's replies.
I announced what I had.....it is still what I have.
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Hall family, Tyrone and Monaghan..Swan/n family also and a pile of others too! Seems everyone is related to each other....Stewart, Longmoore, Wright...
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hallmark
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The names is Dave!!
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A suggestion Hallmark...that next time you make a thread, tell everyone basically what you have already cancelled out, as we have searched through what you already have... just to hear you say, " yes, I know, I have that"
I like to follow a thread through, but in this case...I'll use the notify button
I didn't say " yes, I know, I have that" after the fact!!
Those facts were announced previously by me when I said there was another similar couple but from Cavan who were grocers, so births for this couple are not applicable to my tree.
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Hall family, Tyrone and Monaghan..Swan/n family also and a pile of others too! Seems everyone is related to each other....Stewart, Longmoore, Wright...
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hallmark
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The names is Dave!!
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The death for George James Hall referred to previously shows he was born Dec 15, 1857 in Ireland to Thomas Hall and Lizzie Stewart both of Ireland. Died Dec 2, 1934 at New Toronto, York County, Ontario with his wife, Elizabeth, the informant. Had been in Ontario for 22 years.
Debbie
Thanks Debbie, looks like this other Thomas Hall/Eliza Stewart couple have jinxed it up!
At least if I find the 3 of them in census I'll know it's not my couple!
So; Can anyone advise on (a) Where to look to try and find when they arrived in Canada? and (b) Where to look for births for my Thomas and Eliza please?
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