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MonicaLesl
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Hi Allan
These potential death dates may explain why you have been unable to find anything on John Tweedie's parents:
In Memory of Alexander Tweedie, who died at Dumfries, 11th April 1815, age 33yrs.. Also Mary Hair, his spouse, who died at Kellhead, 8th May 1837, age 53yrs.. And Evan Tweedie, their son, who died at Hoddom Castle, 3rd Nov 1848 age 36yrs.. Also David and Richard, his sons, who died in infancy.. And Jane Douglas, his niece, who died at Hoddom Mains, 26th July 1848, age 16yrs.. Also James, his son who died at Kellhead, 22nd July 1851, age 8yrs.. And David Tweedie, who died at Ecclefechan, 12th Nov 1860, age 50yrs.. Also Jane Irving, wife of Edward Tweedie, who died ?? Nov 1875, age 64yrs.. And ----- Irving, wife of David Tweedie, who died at Kellhead, 19th Dec 1876, age 7? yrs.
www.johnmacmillan.co.uk/cemeteries/dum_cummertrees_old.html
Monica
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allans
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well - I've had a study and a think
I presume David and Richard who dies in infancy are the sons of Evan
because David who died 1860, age 50 is Alexander's son.
Jane Douglas, 'his niece' - Evan's or Alexander's??
James died 1851 Age 8 - cant be Alexanders son - so Evan's??
? Irving, wife of David - whuch David?, given age probable Alexander's on who died 1860
Jane Irving wife of Edward Tweedie - where does Edward fit into the family
Answers always raise more question.
Does thsi 'story' mean they are all buried at Cummertress Old cemetary, or I should I also be looking at Ecclefechan. Where were those that dies at Hoddom and Kellhead buried?
Allan
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Tweedie, Garnett, Smith - !!!, Fearnley,
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MonicaLesl
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Hi Allan
The info looks to come from a gravestone inscription at Cummertrees Old Cemetery. Why don't you try contacting the site owner, link on the Home page, for further info?
Monica
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MonicaLesl
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I think these may be some of the family members mentioned on that MI in 1851:
Mary Irving 68, shopkeeper b. Annan, Dumfries
James Irving 36, son, Tailor Master Employing 6 Men
Jane Tweedie (Irving) 39, daughter, Shopkeeper Daur & Assistent In Shop
James Tweedie 8, disabled, grandson b. Cummertrees...likely the James who died a few months later
Alexander Tweedie 6
David Gardner 22, servant
Abram Coltharp 19, servant
William Shannon 16, servant
Address: Kelhead Village, Cummertrees
All the Tweedies and James Irving born in Cummertrees.
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MonicaLesl
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Possibility for David Tweedie, also in 1851:
David Tweedie 37, police constable, b. Leadhills, Lanark
Caroline Tweedie 30 b. Cummertrees
Mary Tweedie 1, b. Hoddom
John Tweedie under 1 month, b. Hoddom
Ann Irving 40, sister in law, b. Cummertrees
Address: Ecclefechan, Hoddom
You should be able to check this David's death cert on SP to check whether parents were Alexander and Mary.
Some of Alexander and Mary's children look to have been born in Lanarkshire in the early 1800s before they moved down, so might well fit.
Monica
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MonicaLesl
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Hi Allan
I have got these entries from Ancestry  so info such as marital status etc. as you know is not shown.
There is however a great free source though for the 1851 census for the Dumfries area www.dgcommunity.net/DGCommunity/Services.aspx?id=81 Checking that now, Jane Tweedie/Irving shows as widow. So is she the widow of Edward Tweedie I wonder, going by the details on the MI.
Monica
added: Allan, the link to the Historical Indexes at the DGcomm site is playing up tonight. It has taken me a couple of goes before I get the search screen 
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allans
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thanks for that -
I dont have an edward in my list of Alexander's children
the only edward I can find is a family in 1841 in Troqueer,
perhaps a nephew of Alexander
yes you are correct some of Alexander's children are from Lanarkshire.
I have David, Mary and Jean all baptised in Crawford 1806 - 1808
Evan, John and Margaret baptised Troqueer 1813-1815
I know of no other children before 1806 or after 1815
(its all on my tree - public in ancestry)
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MonicaLesl
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Allan
I have just being going back on your previous posts on the Tweedies here on RC (shocked to find that you and I posted a fair bit on the family already back in early 2006 - normally old search names ring a bell in my head but not this time  )
Just a couple of observations from that:
You have confirmation that the death of John Baxter Tweedie's first wife Jane Howells was the right one in 1863 www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,145654.0.html It looks like Def actually has looked at the image of her death and this is where her parents' names, William Howells and Mary Collins was found.
You also have David, son of Alexander and Mary from Anne's info here www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,145656.0.html:
David TWEEDIE
Birth Date: 6 Apr 1810
Christening Date: 10 Apr 1810
Recorded in: Crawford, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Also from Anne's info, if I was you I wouldn't assume that your John Baxter T and brother Evan were necessarily twins. The dates you have are christening dates not birth dates. It was not uncommon do multiple christenings for children in that time for all sorts of reasons.
So the searches that are still outstanding are where were David and Evan in the earlier censuses (we only have David so far in 1851) and who & where was Edward!
The info from the MI is looking pretty good (as you would imagine  ), you just need to verify it to unravel the Tweedie trail.
Monica 
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allans
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I agree
Evan missing in census
The only edward I can fing is Troqueer 1841 - possibly related (since on MI - age is correct) - but no direct obious tie in other tha John /evan/Margaret also born Troqueer.
There is a Margaret Tweedie on 1851 , this is her married name, wife of a farmer, they have an 'Irving' as an 'outside servant'
but other than the 'Irviong' no known connection.
A search of 51 for ant 'Tweedie' born 'Vunmmertrees' gives one heck of a long list!!
Re Twins - family records also suggest they were twins.
Allan
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MonicaLesl
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I can see from your past posts that you have a number of family notes passed down. Given there is no mention of an Edward, I was just wondering.....
From the MI, we have Evan married to Jane Irving and his death in 1848. We found his potential wife (from the MI) Jane Irving Tweedie in 1851 with two young children, one of whom James is showing as having died a few months after the census. What I am wondering, is whether the reference on the MI to a Jane Irving wife of Edward having died in November 1875 aged 64 was in fact the Jane we have widow of EVAN (not Edward) and perhaps there has been a mistake on the transcription of the MI.
Jane Irving Tweedie's age at death matches the Jane we have in 1851 recently widowed. Before you (and me ) spend obsessive hours looking for an Edward, might be worthwhile you looking at that death for Jane in 1875 to verify name of husband. There is no reference anywhere to an Edward except from that transcription of the MI. You also have Jane with mother in 1851 which will also let you compare against the mother's name on that 1875 death.
Monica
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