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Topic: Ryan - Glenough Rossmore, Cashel ? (Read 323 times)
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JenPowers
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William Ryan b 12 July 1858 County Tipperary
~ family notes include Glenough District, Glenough Rossmore, Cashel
Immigrated 1878 New York, USA
m 1884 Arizona, USA to Anna Mary Maloney (I'll ask for help on her on the Limerick board next!)
d 21 Oct 1942 Arizona, USA
Notes say William Ryan was the son of Patrick Ryan and Mary Gleeson.
I think they also had a daughter named Ellen?
I'm pretty much looking for ~anything~ about William Ryan's siblings, parents, grandparents, etc! I have nothing besides the names I've written above and what I can only guess is a mangling of place names. I'm new at this.... you can tell, eh?
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The gggparents
Bennett, Noble, Jones, Ingersoll ~ RI & VT & CT & NY, USA
Adamson, Cousins, Jones, Mellor ~ Cheshire, England & Cardiganshire, Wales
Fishback, Yates, Stith, Bostick ~ VA & WV, USA
Pegram, King, Rawlings, Crupper ~ VA & MS & IL, USA
Moore, Johnson, ?, ? ~ OH, USA
McElroy, McDowell, Brown, Borland ~ PA, USA
Engleson & Thorsedatter (Melby), Olsen & Jonsdatter (Jakobsdatter) ~ Ordal & Lenvigen, Norway
Ryan, Gleeson, Maloney, Murphy ~ Tipperary & Limerick & Galway, Ireland
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annclare
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Jen
Glenough is in Clonoulty civil parish (not too far from Cashel) and the baptismal records would be in the Rossmore Clonoulty RC parish. They are available through the Tipperary Heritage Centre Tipperary town for a fee see website http://www.tfhr.org/
or the microfilms are in the National Library Dublin for personal research.
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annclare
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Oaks and Acorns
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If you go to http://tipperarysouth.brsgenealogy.com/ You can register and search for free but it costs €5.00 to view each record detail.
I checked for William Ryan, b. 1858 and got 11 hits. However only ! had Father named Patrick. The parish is Ballylooby RC which is about 5 miles or less from Cashel.
Dara.
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annclare
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Dara
The south tipperary brsgenealogy site doesn't have the records for the RC parish of Rossmore Clonoulty or any of the other parishes in South Tipperary in the Diocese of Cashel and Emly. The archishop has only made them available through the TFHR site and has objected to the National Library making the microfilms available. The microfilms in the NLI had been closed for 19yrs until 2008.
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Oaks and Acorns
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Thanks for the clarification annclare.
Dara.
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Oaks and Acorns
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Is it true that the NLI opened the records in 2008 when it was found that the archbishop had no right to refuse access under copyright laws?
Dara.
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annclare
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Dara
That is my understanding but I think the matter is still being debated.
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annclare
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Jen
From the parish registers of Clonoulty -
Baptisms
Ellen Ryan 17 Mar 1856 of Patrick Ryan Mary Gleeson Glenough
12 Jul 1858 William of Patrick Ryan and Mary Gleeson Glenough- sponsors John Ryan Margaret Ryan.
The registers are not indexed so I only had time to search from 1855 - 1862 but found no other children.
There were two other Ryan couples in Glenough at the same time period
Patrick Ryan and Judith Quinlan
Edmond Ryan and Honora Quinlan.
These could be related.
Did Ellen remain in Ireland? - if so it would be worthwhile to search for a marriage.
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annclare
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JenPowers
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Thank you!!!
From the parish registers of Clonoulty -
Baptisms
Ellen Ryan 17 Mar 1856 of Patrick Ryan Mary Gleeson Glenough
Yay!
12 Jul 1858 William of Patrick Ryan and Mary Gleeson Glenough- sponsors John Ryan Margaret Ryan.
What is a "sponsor"?
The registers are not indexed so I only had time to search from 1855 - 1862 but found no other children. I REALLY appreciate your time in looking! I have a "family guess" of a sibling of William and Ellen named Anna born 1853.
There were two other Ryan couples in Glenough at the same time period
Patrick Ryan and Judith Quinlan
Edmond Ryan and Honora Quinlan.
These could be related. I'll add this to my notes in hopes of finding more information.
Did Ellen remain in Ireland? - if so it would be worthwhile to search for a marriage. Yes, she stayed. Family lore has it that William took the Cookie Jar money and snuck off to America by himself to meet up with relatives in Arizona.
I very much appreciate your help!
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The gggparents
Bennett, Noble, Jones, Ingersoll ~ RI & VT & CT & NY, USA
Adamson, Cousins, Jones, Mellor ~ Cheshire, England & Cardiganshire, Wales
Fishback, Yates, Stith, Bostick ~ VA & WV, USA
Pegram, King, Rawlings, Crupper ~ VA & MS & IL, USA
Moore, Johnson, ?, ? ~ OH, USA
McElroy, McDowell, Brown, Borland ~ PA, USA
Engleson & Thorsedatter (Melby), Olsen & Jonsdatter (Jakobsdatter) ~ Ordal & Lenvigen, Norway
Ryan, Gleeson, Maloney, Murphy ~ Tipperary & Limerick & Galway, Ireland
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JenPowers
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If you go to http://tipperarysouth.brsgenealogy.com/ You can register and search for free but it costs €5.00 to view each record detail. I checked for William Ryan, b. 1858 and got 11 hits. However only ! had Father named Patrick. The parish is Ballylooby RC which is about 5 miles or less from Cashel. Dara. |
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The gggparents
Bennett, Noble, Jones, Ingersoll ~ RI & VT & CT & NY, USA
Adamson, Cousins, Jones, Mellor ~ Cheshire, England & Cardiganshire, Wales
Fishback, Yates, Stith, Bostick ~ VA & WV, USA
Pegram, King, Rawlings, Crupper ~ VA & MS & IL, USA
Moore, Johnson, ?, ? ~ OH, USA
McElroy, McDowell, Brown, Borland ~ PA, USA
Engleson & Thorsedatter (Melby), Olsen & Jonsdatter (Jakobsdatter) ~ Ordal & Lenvigen, Norway
Ryan, Gleeson, Maloney, Murphy ~ Tipperary & Limerick & Galway, Ireland
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annclare
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Jen
Some more information from the parish records-
25 Dec 1851 Baptism of Joseph of Patrick Ryan and Mary Gleeson sponsors Joseph Ryan Winifred Gleeson Glenough
2 Jan 1854 Michael of Patrick Ryan Mary Gleeson Sprs Laurence Ryan Winifred Quinlan Glenough
I didn't find anything for a Anne or Anna and searched from 1850- 1856.
Searched marriages from 1840-1850 but did not find marriage of Patrick Ryan and Mary Gleeson. As the marriage usually took place in the parish of the bride it could mean that Mary Gleeson was from a different parish or else the marriage was earlier.
Interesting that you have some knowledge of William's sisters but none of his brothers. I wonder did they survive to adulthood?
Will look again at the later records to see if I can pick up a marriage of Joseph Michael or Ellen but it may be some weeks before I get back to the registers. Sponsors were godparents - each child being christened usually had a male and a female sponsor - though some only had one.
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annclare
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annclare
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Jen
Looking at the 1911 census for Joseph Ryan b. 1851 this seems to be a possiblility Joseph Ryan age 63 (off by a few years but often ages in the census were not accurate) living in Glenough Lower Clonoulty.
See imagehttp://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai003294359/
It might give a few more clues.
annclare
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JenPowers
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I very much appreciate all of this help! Thank you so much for your time and efforts!
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The gggparents
Bennett, Noble, Jones, Ingersoll ~ RI & VT & CT & NY, USA
Adamson, Cousins, Jones, Mellor ~ Cheshire, England & Cardiganshire, Wales
Fishback, Yates, Stith, Bostick ~ VA & WV, USA
Pegram, King, Rawlings, Crupper ~ VA & MS & IL, USA
Moore, Johnson, ?, ? ~ OH, USA
McElroy, McDowell, Brown, Borland ~ PA, USA
Engleson & Thorsedatter (Melby), Olsen & Jonsdatter (Jakobsdatter) ~ Ordal & Lenvigen, Norway
Ryan, Gleeson, Maloney, Murphy ~ Tipperary & Limerick & Galway, Ireland
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