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Topic: Question on details given on Passenger Lists (Read 161 times)
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ambers
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Hopefully I am asking in this question in the correct Forum 
Did people always tell the truth about the person they were visiting abroad?
Re: State whether going to join a relative or friend, if so, which relative or friend with complete address.
I have my great uncle stating he is going to join his father in Pennsylvania (my ggrandfather)
He is only seventeen, so must have had someone to go to, but I can't find my Ggrandfather travelling out before him on the Passenger lists.
Ambers
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GLAMORGAN: Evans. Davies. Eddy. Bradnum.
GLAMORGAN to Phila USA: Walter Herbert Davies 1886
PEMBROKE: Bradnum. Summers
CARMARTHENSHIRE: Davies. Jones
NORFOLK/SUFFOLK: Bradnum. Helsdon. Cork. Whiskins. Fairhead.Catchpole.
DEVON: Mallett. Acford, Kidston. Short. Lover. Dampier, Johns, Edwards,Telford. Sparrow
SOMERSET: Masey
CORNWALL: Eddy. Thomas. Maddern. Harvey. Noy.Reynolds,Batten, Curtis. Tregenza,Trebilcock.
Cornwall to Colorado USA: Thomas, Semmens. Oats
Warwickshire: Mountney
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Jellis
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People tell lies if they are desperate!  Maybe the lad was running away from his situation and the only way he could get a passage was to say he was going to relatives.
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ambers
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Hi Jellis 
I wondered that at first, but then he is home visting in 1911 with his brother and sisters. His mother is on our census as married, but his father isn't listed.
He then applies for a US Passport to come home in 1915, giving the reason of Settling an Estate, and returns to the US within three months.
I think I have missed something soemwhere
Ambers
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GLAMORGAN: Evans. Davies. Eddy. Bradnum.
GLAMORGAN to Phila USA: Walter Herbert Davies 1886
PEMBROKE: Bradnum. Summers
CARMARTHENSHIRE: Davies. Jones
NORFOLK/SUFFOLK: Bradnum. Helsdon. Cork. Whiskins. Fairhead.Catchpole.
DEVON: Mallett. Acford, Kidston. Short. Lover. Dampier, Johns, Edwards,Telford. Sparrow
SOMERSET: Masey
CORNWALL: Eddy. Thomas. Maddern. Harvey. Noy.Reynolds,Batten, Curtis. Tregenza,Trebilcock.
Cornwall to Colorado USA: Thomas, Semmens. Oats
Warwickshire: Mountney
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Jellis
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Oh, dear. One of those difficult ones, isn't he!
I suppose you could try again and find his father's passage out in case you've missed it.
Good luck!
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johnnyboy
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Hi Ambers: Your goal obviously is to find your great grandfather's arrival in the U.S. Some explanations and ideas.
Your great uncle might have been traveling without a person waiting in the U.S. at the other end of his voyage. However, there could also be a problem--not originating in a lie--with the details of his passage to the U.S. These details were entered on the passenger manifest in the country of origin (i.e, the U.K.) by the ship company, not in the destination country by immigration inspectors. It is possible that the person filling out the passenger manifest got details or spellings wrong.
There's also the problem of errors creeping into the process afterward. U.S passenger lists were microfilmed (and indexed) during the Great Depression. The originals were later destroyed. Mistakes could have been made during the indexing or years later during the transcriptions from the microfilm, with no originals to help ensure accuracy. That means, if you're searching a database for someone's passage, you might have to enter alternate spellings of the surname and even use wild cards (asterisks) in the search. If you are searching the Ellis Island records, for example, my experience has been that the search engine is extremely finicky about the spelling of names and will often return No Results because the spelling is off by one letter.
The fact that your great uncle applied for a U.S. passport in 1915 or so indicates that he was naturalized as a U.S citizen. His naturalization papers would give his address in the U.S. and might even include details about his father. Some naturalization records are now on Ancestry.com, including naturalizations in eastern Pennsylvania and western Pennsylvania from the 1800s to 1974. I think some Delaware naturalizations are online, too.
Since your great uncle came back to the U.S soon after his 1915 trip to the U.K., he was back in the U.S in time to register for the draft in 1917. His registration card might offer helpful details.
You might want to put a look up request on the U.S. board for some of the items I mention here. I noticed you had one on there the other day, and I've worked with the assumption that your great uncle went to Pennsylvania and stayed there. You'll have to excuse that assumption if it's wrong.
Incidentally, Pennsylvania is my home state. If you have questions about it, send me a PM.
Regards,
John 
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ENGLAND, YKS: SLATER of Ovenden and Halifax; DRURY of Darton, Mapplewell, Sheffield and Halifax; DOBSON of Thornton (near Bradford); NEVILL(E) of Wigan, Lancs and Darton; MEGSON of Dewsbury; GARSIDE of Woolley and West Bretton. SCOTLAND: HENDRY of Who-knows-where-shire and Massachusetts, USA; HOUSTON of Lesmahagow and Glasgow and Massachusetts, USA; DEMPSTER of Lesmahagow; MEIKLE of Ayrshire, Hamilton, and Glasgow; COCHRAN of Hamilton.
Paradise: EVE and ADAM, also in exile
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