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Topic: Tithe Applotment Books 1824 - 1837 Armagh (Read 372 times)
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Cesca
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Has anyone access to the Tithe Applottment Books for Armagh 1824 - 1837. Am looking for Sinclair Carroll
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Carroll, Armagh later Market Harborough
Dunn, Belbroughton Worcs, Kinver and Bilston Staffs
Ealey, Middlesex and London
Turberville, Worcester and Newport South Wales
Fitzgerald, Pontypool, South Wales
Day, Somerset and Pontypool, South Wales
Mundy or Munday Pontypool, South Wales
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TF13
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hi,
he gets a mention in the tithe applottment for the civil parish of Grange,townland-Corporation,1832.
tony
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Cesca
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hi,
he gets a mention in the tithe applottment for the civil parish of Grange,townland-Corporation,1832.
tony
Hi Tony, What sort of information does it give. Does it list other member of the household
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Carroll, Armagh later Market Harborough
Dunn, Belbroughton Worcs, Kinver and Bilston Staffs
Ealey, Middlesex and London
Turberville, Worcester and Newport South Wales
Fitzgerald, Pontypool, South Wales
Day, Somerset and Pontypool, South Wales
Mundy or Munday Pontypool, South Wales
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TF13
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no,it doesn't list other family members.the tithe's were a tax that was paid to the then established church;church of ireland.i haven't actually seen the books but they have been transcribed to different places but the transcriptions, that i've seen, only state the persons name and where they lived,which comes in useful if you are looking at the early 1800's and pre-griffiths. but definitely no other members of the household. the original books contain info like the size of the land and whatever crops were grew.
tony
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Cesca
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hi tony, I know my ancestor was living in central armagh -he was an architect - in 1824 he was living in dawson street and then in 1846 he was living in beresford row, this information i got from Piggots and Slaters commercial directories of northern ireland. how would you suggest i get sight of the title applotment books. i live in wales and it is very difficult to get records relating to your irish ancestors
cheers cesca
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Carroll, Armagh later Market Harborough
Dunn, Belbroughton Worcs, Kinver and Bilston Staffs
Ealey, Middlesex and London
Turberville, Worcester and Newport South Wales
Fitzgerald, Pontypool, South Wales
Day, Somerset and Pontypool, South Wales
Mundy or Munday Pontypool, South Wales
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TF13
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i'm guessing you've done this already but have you searched the e-catologue in proni yet for sinclair?
http://applications.proni.gov.uk/LL_DCAL_PRONI_ECATNI/SearchPage.aspx
sinclair was building the primate's palace in the mid 1820's,or at least he was planning to.
i don't know where you would access the tithe's but i'd guess they would be in proni or the national library in dublin. someone on here will probably give you something more solid; hopefully.
tony
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Cesca
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tony just looked at the link you kindly sent me and i found reference to sinclair carroll relating to the proposals, estimates and specifications for the primate's palace, armagh. it says the architect was william farrell and the buuilder was sinclair carroll - this was march 1826. in slater's commercial directory of ireland 1846 sinclair carroll is listed as builder, architect and valuator living at beresford row, armagh, so obviously between 1826 when the primate's palace was built and 1846 he had progressed to being an architect. i also know that he was responsible for building both newry and armagh workhouses in 1839 and 1840, so he must have been working his way up in the building world.
cheers cesca
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Carroll, Armagh later Market Harborough
Dunn, Belbroughton Worcs, Kinver and Bilston Staffs
Ealey, Middlesex and London
Turberville, Worcester and Newport South Wales
Fitzgerald, Pontypool, South Wales
Day, Somerset and Pontypool, South Wales
Mundy or Munday Pontypool, South Wales
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Cesca
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thanks TF13, your links proved very fruitful. didn't know that sinclair was a special constable, knew he had served on several juries. also found reference to details of him relating to valuation for rates ireland 1838. what exactly were the valuation for rates. it says sinclair's house on beresford row had a net annual value of £43 and the gross annual value was £53.11.2. i suppose that was alot of money in 1838
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Carroll, Armagh later Market Harborough
Dunn, Belbroughton Worcs, Kinver and Bilston Staffs
Ealey, Middlesex and London
Turberville, Worcester and Newport South Wales
Fitzgerald, Pontypool, South Wales
Day, Somerset and Pontypool, South Wales
Mundy or Munday Pontypool, South Wales
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TF13
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I don't know what that would be Cesca. It's to early for Griffith's valuation(1848-1864)unless it was an earlier valuation. Incidentally,the only mention of Sinclair in Griffith's is that he was renting out a house(The Seven Houses) in Upper English Street to a Charles O'Neill,1864. Do you know where Sinclair was around this time? Sorry,just being nosy 
Tony
you can search the Griffith's Valuation of Ireland here;
http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml
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Cesca
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TF13 thanks for the link. have had a look and it says it was for houses, offices and yard. Sinclair died in 1850 so obviously these premises were being rented out by I assume his children. In the various trade directories I have found his addresses were
1820 College St.
1824 Dawson St
1835 College St
1838 Beresford Row
1846 Beresford Row
I assume these were all business premises. One of his children Isabella b.1825 was born in English St.
I believe one of his sons became a vicar/priest and I found reference in the archived Chronicles of St.John's Masonic Lodge No.39 for 1865
"The lodge had discussed providing a suitable Lodge room and other necessary accommodation unconnected with the Beresford Arms Hotel.
"The lodge had written to the Rev Charles Carroll in Tipperary, with reference to renting a house in College Street, Armagh, for general Masonic purposes. He consented to taking lease of the house for £15 per annum and keeping the property in good repair".
I know that one of Sinclair's sons was Charles and was admitted to Trinity College Dublin in 1853 when he was aged 20. I presume that the Charles Carroll referred to in the masonic notes is the same one, as this is after the time that Sinclair died and is also in one of the streets where Sinclair had lived/had premises. I see from the link that the Griffith's valuation for Sinclair (reps of) was in 1864 and that the article relating to the renting of a house in College St is in 1865, so I presume that all properties owned by Sinclair after his death, were leased out by his remaining family.
Any suggestions as to how I could find out if Sinclair left a will, he seemed to be a man of substance!
Also any thoughts as to how I could find out further information on the Rev Charles Carroll
Thanks for all your help
Cesca
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Dunn, Belbroughton Worcs, Kinver and Bilston Staffs
Ealey, Middlesex and London
Turberville, Worcester and Newport South Wales
Fitzgerald, Pontypool, South Wales
Day, Somerset and Pontypool, South Wales
Mundy or Munday Pontypool, South Wales
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TF13
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I had a look on the pre-1858 will index on the PRONI site,which is where the will should be, and nothing showed up. You should have a look yourself,maybe the spellings were different, I could have missed it.
If the Rev. Charles Carroll was Church of Ireland then you should be able to find something in the RCBL(Representative Church Body Library) in Dublin.
http://www.library.ireland.anglican.org/
they are supposed to have biographies of the clergy;there is a link at the bottom of their page to contact them.
Tony
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Cesca
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TF13 yet again I thank you for your link, will look at that. am sure i shall be posting more queries and hoping someone out there will be able to point me in the right direction. thanks Cesca
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Carroll, Armagh later Market Harborough
Dunn, Belbroughton Worcs, Kinver and Bilston Staffs
Ealey, Middlesex and London
Turberville, Worcester and Newport South Wales
Fitzgerald, Pontypool, South Wales
Day, Somerset and Pontypool, South Wales
Mundy or Munday Pontypool, South Wales
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