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‘C’ Company, 5.T.R.W.K regiment - can anyone elaborate please
« on: Thursday 22 October 09 15:48 UTC (UK) »

Hey there,

I'm searching for info on my Grandfather that died in battle in approx 1944. I dont have much info on him as my father never had the pleasure of meeting him and all we have is a letter he sent him when he was born.

At the top of the letter it says

6350509 ‘C’ Company, 5.T.R.W.K regiment

I was hoping someone in the know could clarify exactly what reg this is and where abouts they would have been in approx sept 1944.

My parents believe he was in a parachute regiment.

His name was Michael Ryan

Thank you

Ryan
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Re: ‘C’ Company, 5.T.R.W.K regiment - can anyone elaborate please
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 22 October 09 17:11 UTC (UK) »

Hi

He was in the Royal West Kent Regiment, C Company of the 5th Battalion I reckon.

There is a museum that should help:

http://www.museum.maidstone.gov.uk/queensown/

You can obtain his detailed sevice history from the MOD which will tell you his movements.

No sign of him on www.cwgc.org though.

Regards

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Re: ‘C’ Company, 5.T.R.W.K regiment - can anyone elaborate please
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 22 October 09 17:36 UTC (UK) »

Can't see any sign of him in the Uk Army Roll of Honour for WW2 either ................ strange Undecided

Do you happen to know where he was born and/or his home address c1944 Huh

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Re: ‘C’ Company, 5.T.R.W.K regiment - can anyone elaborate please
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 22 October 09 17:41 UTC (UK) »

the 5th bn. were in italy at that time, in combat.

checked geoffs search engine, but no trace.

can I check - his forename was Michael and his surname Ryan.

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Re: ‘C’ Company, 5.T.R.W.K regiment - can anyone elaborate please
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 22 October 09 18:01 UTC (UK) »

Hi,
Just searhed GRO War Deaths, Army, Other Ranks,1939-1948 just by the surname, but cannot see a Ryan death with the No 6350509,

Very puzzling


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Re: ‘C’ Company, 5.T.R.W.K regiment - can anyone elaborate please
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 22 October 09 18:03 UTC (UK) »

Hey everyone thanks for the reply

His forename was Michael
Pretty sure his middle name was Joseph
Surname was Ryan

I have information from the AAC to say that he transferred into the AAC but unfortunately the record has no date. However it must have been post 1942.

There is a record of a MJ Ryan doing a para troopers course with the AAC however the service number differs although the guy from the AAC told me they are alike. The service number is 6335683

He was born in Waterford, The Republic of Ireland. I dont have any details of his address sorry.

Casalguidi: May I ask how your able to check the service roll from ?
Pete: Whats Geoffs search engine?

Thanks guys

Ryan
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Re: ‘C’ Company, 5.T.R.W.K regiment - can anyone elaborate please
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 22 October 09 18:49 UTC (UK) »

Could this Possibly be your Chap. It seems a far fetched idea.

Casualty Details
Name: RYAN, MICHAEL JOSEPH
Initials: M J
Nationality: Canadian
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Canadian Special Service Battalion, R.C.I.C.
Unit Text: 1st
Date of Death: 28/05/1944
Service No: A/11505
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: XVII. A. 5.
Cemetery: BEACH HEAD WAR CEMETERY, ANZIO

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Re: ‘C’ Company, 5.T.R.W.K regiment - can anyone elaborate please
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 22 October 09 18:51 UTC (UK) »

Hi Ryan

There are a number of ways that you would be able to check the WW2 Roll of Honour for those that died yourself ie. ancestry.co.uk or findmypast (both pay per view) or I believe you can purchase a CD.

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I have information from the AAC to say that he transferred into the AAC but unfortunately the record has no date. However it must have been post 1942

Do you mean with the service number 6350509 (it shouldn't have changed even if he did leave the West Kent Regt.) Huh

I can't help feeliing that it's beginning to look like he may not have been a WW2 casualty ............. one would expect to find something somewhere as the records were much more comprehensive than WW1.  Does it actually give his name on the letter kept by the family Huh

edit - just seen Rog's post Huh

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Re: ‘C’ Company, 5.T.R.W.K regiment - can anyone elaborate please
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 22 October 09 18:59 UTC (UK) »

Hi,

Grandarog: I just did the same thing. Went to the same website and questioned his nationality but theres too much there that doesnt add up. Especially the Canadian part lol. Thankyou for your help though.

Casalguidi: He transfered under his number 6350509 and it says he went from RWK to AAC but doesnt say when. The guy from the Airborne Assult - Duxford that emailed me with the info said it was possible his number changed or maybe it was a transcription error. His name was definetly Michael Ryan and he signed the letter so also.

We had believed that he died in Arnhem but he is not on the roll for service in Arnhem. I am beginning to think he might'n have died in the war at all. Is there any way I search for info on him if he didnt die in the war, other than the MoD which im in the process of filling out.

Thanks guys

Ryan
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Re: ‘C’ Company, 5.T.R.W.K regiment - can anyone elaborate please
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 22 October 09 19:05 UTC (UK) »

The Canadian chap has a date of birth of 18 Dec 1915 if that helps either way http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/war-dead/001056-100.01-e.php

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Re: ‘C’ Company, 5.T.R.W.K regiment - can anyone elaborate please
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 22 October 09 19:24 UTC (UK) »

I have x2 Ryans listed for the GPR at Arnhem...

2589852 Ryan RW

4696494 Ryan D...

Neither were KIA though...The first one was captured, and the second was RTU'd via Nijmegen
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Re: ‘C’ Company, 5.T.R.W.K regiment - can anyone elaborate please
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 22 October 09 19:51 UTC (UK) »

Hi Ryan, Smiley
           I said it was far fetched ,but stranger things have happened ! Grin
Do you have a date on the letter or where it was posted from or any other clues that may be on the letter that could help?
          Also you say he was born Waterford  have you any idea of his age?
                                                                                              Regards Rog.
Ps If he was RWK in 5th Div not Btn he could have been at Kohima I think Maybe one of the experts can confirm What  " 5T" before RWK.      (If it was mounted I would have thought T was for Troop but I dont think any of the West Kents were mounted.)
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Re: ‘C’ Company, 5.T.R.W.K regiment - can anyone elaborate please
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 22 October 09 20:29 UTC (UK) »

5th (Territorial) bn RWK

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Re: ‘C’ Company, 5.T.R.W.K regiment - can anyone elaborate please
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 22 October 09 20:32 UTC (UK) »

The 5th bn were fighting through the Gothic line, taking Florence in  Sept 44
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Re: ‘C’ Company, 5.T.R.W.K regiment - can anyone elaborate please
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 22 October 09 20:33 UTC (UK) »

Hey,

I have emailed my dad and asked him a ton of questions and also about the content of the letter so I should get a reply tommorow as they are in Australia.

I think Michael was mid to late twenties in 1942 so he was born around 1914 - 1919 (roughly)

I just want to thank everyone for all there help.

I'll post any new info as I get it

Cheers

Ryan

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