|
Pages: [1]
|
 |
|
Author
|
Topic: Hello from a Newbie (Read 350 times)
|
Smoo
RootsChat Extra
Posts: 24
|
Hello everyone,
I am new to all this and would appreciate a bit of guidance.
I am looking for information on the following people:
Stevenson - my ggGranfather James Foggo Stevenson, a ham curer, born 1841 in Glasgow but moved to Edinburgh between 1865 and 1869, where his 6 children were born
His mother was Jane (or possibly Jean?) Scott Reid, a surname which I have found very difficult to search other sites for.
His father was either David or Robert, but his grandafther was almost certainly also James, a baker, who was married to an Elizabeth FOGGO, born 1796 to John Foggo and Barbara Heriot(e) Thom - again I have hit a brick wall with this double surname and the spelling variations don't help!
Any advice on searching these double names, or if anyone has any connection to any of these names that might help me, I'd really appreciate your input.
Thanks :O)
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
MonicaLesl
RootsChat Marquessate
Posts: 9123
|
Hi Smoo
Welcome to RootsChat 
The family look to have moved to Edinburgh probably between 1871-73 going by the birth of some of their children:
1. JAMES DEVON STEVENSON Birth: 22 MAR 1866 Calton, Glasgow
2. JANE REID STEVENSONBirth: 13 OCT 1867 Calton, Glasgow
3. ELIZABETH BOYD STEVENSON Birth: 14 OCT 1869 Calton, Glasgow
4. HELEN MOFFAT STEVENSON Birth: 07 AUG 1871 Calton, Glasgow
5. DAVID MOFFAT STEVENSON Birth: 15 APR 1873 Edinburgh
This looks a likely entry for the family in 1881 in Canongate, Edinburgh:
James Stevenson 40, ham curer b. Glasgow
Mary Stevenson 38 b. Glasgow
James Stevenson 15 b. Glasgow
Jane Stevenson 14 b. Glasgow
David Stevenson 8 b. Edinburgh
John Stevenson 6 b. Edinburgh
Eliza Stevenson 4 b. Edinburgh
Andrew Stevenson 2 b. Edinburgh
The 1865 marriage of James and Mary would let you confirm James' father's name and let you find James with his family in earlier censuses:
JAMES STEVENSON and MARY ROBERTS
Marriage: 27 OCT 1865 in Calton, Glasgow
Monica
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
|
|
MonicaLesl
RootsChat Marquessate
Posts: 9123
|
A possible 1841 census entry for James with family - everyone showing as born outside the county of Lanarkshire apart from baby James:
David Stevenson 40, lab.,
Jean Stevenson 35
John Stevenson 15
William Stevenson 12
Helen Stevenson 10
James Stevenson 4 Months
Address: Rutherglen Loan, Gorbals, Lanarkshire
The same family in 1851 - for this entry, everyone showing as born in Glasgow:
David Stevenson 38, Cotton Spinner
Jane Stevenson 48, Flower Maker
Helen Stevenson 18
James Stevenson 9
Robert Stevenson 5
Address: 25 Rutherglen Loan, Gorbals, Lanarkshire
And in 1861:
David Stevenson 65, foundry lab.
Jane Stevenson 60
James Stevenson 19, Day Cater (?spl)
Robert Stevenson 15, shoemaker
Address: 35 Gallowgate, High Church, Glasgow College
Hopefully, James's marriage entry will let you verify further.
Monica
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
|
|
Smoo
RootsChat Extra
Posts: 24
|
Oh Monica - I can't thank you enough for this! It has helped so much.
I have now found James Foggo Stevenson's marriage to Mary Roberts on the date you've given, although it shows she was born in Ireland rather than Glasgow but never mind - it's unlikely there were 2 lots of people with the same names married on the same date in the same place!
It also confirms that James's father is David, recorded as a cotton spinner so I would guess that the first David Stevenson famly in the Glasgow censuses you've given is the one I want.
I know that when James F S took his family to Edinburgh they DID live just off the Royal Mile - so you have go the right ones there too. I have a 1891 census showing them at 7 Milne Square but it doesn't show Jane, I assume she must have left home as she'd be 24. It also shows another child born 1883 Christie - my great-grandfather. I am sure I have come across Boyd as a surname somewhere along the line so that would explain its use as a middle name, just like Reid. I am now intrigued by the use of Devon & Moffat though - will need to research those - thanks for the pointers
On a slightly different note, I was hoping I would discover where my g-grandfather got HIS name, Christie Hendry Ross, as I did think they may be ancestors' surnames. Perhaps I need to start looking at my great-grandmother's side too - but I'll wait till my brain has digested the Stevenson side and recovered I think!!
My grandad was also born in Edinburgh and walked the legs off me as a young child, up and down all the old closes at the east end of the Royal Mile, telling me tales of when he was young (the family left Edinburgh when he was 10) - I just wish I had paid more attention to him then :O)
Once again, I can't thank you enough for all your help, Monica - I have been going round in circles with this for weeks till a friend recommended this site!
You are ace! 
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
MonicaLesl
RootsChat Marquessate
Posts: 9123
|
Hi Smoo
That great that you have been able to make sense of it
Just had a look at that 1891 that you have at Milne Square. I think that you will find that the daughter Jane that you refer to as not being there is there  Likely married to the James Currie who shows as visiting the household with his wife Jane Reid Currie and one year old daughter Mary.
There is a marriage showing on SP for a Jane Reid Stevenson and a James Currie in 1887 Edinburgh.
Monica
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
|
|
MonicaLesl
RootsChat Marquessate
Posts: 9123
|
From a small tree on Ancestry, daughter Elizabeth b. 24 May 1877 in Edinburgh (full name Elizabeth McCloud Ross Stevenson) looks to have married a Joseph Raffen Thomson. This looks a possible entry for them in 1901 - everyone born in Edinburgh:
Joseph Thomson 25, bricklayer
Elizabeth Thomson 24
Alexander Thomson 2
Elizabeth Thomson 4
Mary Currie 12, wife's niece (likely Jane Reid S. daughter from what we had before)
Mary Hislop 20, visitor
Address: 1 Brown's Close, Edinburgh Canongate
Monica
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
|
|
Smoo
RootsChat Extra
Posts: 24
|
Crikey - yes you are right!
That is amazing - thanks so much for looking at this for me, Monica.
And especially interesting as I do seem to recall the address of Brown's Close for some reason in the depths of my memory - perhaps my grandad or great-grandpa told me about visiting there... My grandad was born in St John's Close/Square/Place (?) which were very close to Brown's so I imagine that might be why :O) I was about 10 when my greatgrandad died aged 99, we lived very near him and saw him at least every week, so I am sure there are many stories in the depths of my mind - the more I research, the more I think I remember!
But McCloud is totally new to me and yet another path to follow
Have quite a lot of good info to work with now and will see what more I can find. I think when I have more time I will need to subscribe to one of the more comprehensive sites than I currently use - I just want to get more of a feel for this first and find out what might be the best sites for me 
Monica, thank you most sincerely. I hope that I can be of some help to other people here too one day
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
MonicaLesl
RootsChat Marquessate
Posts: 9123
|
Smoo, enjoy your research, including all those stuck bits when the frustations make you want to bang your head 
There is a useful helpguide here on RC on Scottish resources for research www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,24468.0.html
Remember, if you do need advice on something, there is always someone here on RC who can help out if they can
Monica
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
|
|
Smoo
RootsChat Extra
Posts: 24
|
Excellent - a few places there I didn't know about.
Many thanks again
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
IanB
RootsChat Extra
Posts: 92
Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
|
Smoo,
I'm not sure whether you live in Edinburgh but, in case you don't, the street where your grandfather was born is known as St. John Street (sometimes St. John's Street). It is a close, running from Holyrood Road (formerly the back Canongate) to the Canongate, with a pedestrian only entrance at the Canongate. My mother was born on that street and I visited it this summer. Not much is left from those days, the main buildings seeming to belong to Moray House College (?)
Ian
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Morrison, MacKay, MacCulloch, Sutherland, Dingwall, MacLeod, Donn, Calder,
|
|
|
Smoo
RootsChat Extra
Posts: 24
|
Hi Ian
No I'm not in Edinburgh, I am in the south-west of Scotland now but I did used to live there.
I think St John''s Close and Square were demolished in the 1990s with the redevelopment of the Pleasance & St John's Hill - oddly enough I was working for the Housing Association that built the new flats there at the time!
My grandfather took his youngest brother there for a last visit to show him where the family had originally come from - they ended up having a cup of tea with one of the last remaining residents! And then the 2 old yins (in their late 80's/early 90s) ended up "on the skite" in Rose Street and nearly missed the bus home!!
Surprised to hear there are still bits of St John's Street still standing though - must go and look next time I am there - thanks!
Smoo
X
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
Pages: [1]
|
|
|
|
|
