sangal
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Please can somebody help me.I am buliding my family tree and have hit a brick wall.
My great grandfather Patrick Gallagher married Mary Forde 1902 in Clondalkin.
In the marriage records he lists his parents as Margaret and Patrick Gallagher of Bohernabreena.He has himself listed as a van driver and living in Dolphins barn.
I checked the 1911 census for Tallaght and found Peter Gallagher and a James Gallagher living in Ballymanagh.I also checked the 1901 Census for Ballymanagh and there is also a Catherine Gallagher (Peters mother).
Our family believe that Our greatgrand father Patrick Gallagher had 2 brothers one Peter and the other James. James apprentley went to america and sent money home via a solictors firm named Greens in Dublin.
Patrick Died 18 dec 1945 aged 75 at 3 convent view Clondalkin.
Can anybody help me trace him please
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sangal
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Hi Dara
Thanks for replying.
I am trying to trace Patrick Gallagher s Birth records and then I am hoping to trace his parents and siblings
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sangal
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Hi Dara
Yes that is patrick and family in clondalkin 1911
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shanew147
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The civil index is available on familysearch at : http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=2;t=searchable;c=1408347
Clondalkin and Bohernabreena are in the registration district of Dublin South - and there seems to be a couple of possible matches in that area around the right time. One in 1870 and a Patrick Joseph in 1869. There's also a Patrick Gallaher in 1865.
What age did Patrick give on the 1901 census ?
Shane
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Wilson : Cambridgeshire [Chatteris], Yorkshire [Leeds], Dublin & Australia [Sydney/NSW] | Fitzsimon : Bray, Co. Wicklow & South Co. Dublin
Hayes, Shepherd, Bickerdike, Render, Harper : Yorkshire | Doyle, Dillon, Cantwell, Roach, Clarke : Co. Wicklow
Cathcart, Wilson : Kings Co./Offaly, Dublin City & N. Ireland | Hodges : Bristol, Glos./Bray Co. Wicklow/Dublin City | Nevin : Cork
Sheridan : Dublin City | Kavanagh, Rooney, Clarke, Hughes, May, Monks : North Co. Dublin [Rush/Thomastown]
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Oaks and Acorns
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From the census records Patrick was born about 1868 and Mary about 1871. Allow about +/-5 years on this as census ages can be very inaccurate.
If you check the Civil Register you should be able to find both their births. Key in the first and last name. Where it says ‘Location’ on the form key in ‘dub’ and select Dublin. Ireland from the drop down menu. Use the filter keys at the top of the page to narrow down events and dates you want.
For Patrick this will give 15 possibles for 1860-1869 and 20 for 1870-1879 and even more possibilities for Mary. You should be able to narrow these down to a small few ‘likely’ results based on what you know about the family already.
Civil Register: http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#c=1408347;p=2;t=searchable
To Order certs: http://www.groireland.ie/apply_for_a_cert.htm
Btw Welcome to RootsChat.
Good luck with your search.
Dara.
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Oaks and Acorns
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Oops!
Sorry for the repeat info Shane. I was typing while you were posting.
Dara.
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shanew147
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no problem - I've done the same thing on a few occasions... at one stage there was a red warning message when a post was saved after another person had answered, but it seems to have stopped..
Shane
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Wilson : Cambridgeshire [Chatteris], Yorkshire [Leeds], Dublin & Australia [Sydney/NSW] | Fitzsimon : Bray, Co. Wicklow & South Co. Dublin
Hayes, Shepherd, Bickerdike, Render, Harper : Yorkshire | Doyle, Dillon, Cantwell, Roach, Clarke : Co. Wicklow
Cathcart, Wilson : Kings Co./Offaly, Dublin City & N. Ireland | Hodges : Bristol, Glos./Bray Co. Wicklow/Dublin City | Nevin : Cork
Sheridan : Dublin City | Kavanagh, Rooney, Clarke, Hughes, May, Monks : North Co. Dublin [Rush/Thomastown]
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sangal
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Thank you both for all the information.I have traced Mary Forde's family and I am now concentrating on Patrick Gallagher's .I have applied for copies of all the baptism registrations from GRO research .Hopefully something will turn up. Should I take as Gospel the fact that his parents are listed as Margaret and Patrick Gallagher on his marriage records.
Sandra
Thanks again
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Oaks and Acorns
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Any Civil Marriage certs I have got so far lists only the bride and groom's fathers' names. Did you get his mother's name from a Church cert?
Personally, I would accept a mother's name from a Birth cert or from Church records as being correct. But at the same time would bear it in mind that the name (Margaret) may have been a middle name but the one most commonly used.
Dara.
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sangal
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hi Dara
I got Patricks Parents names from the Clondalkin Church records.I paid a visit to the church a few weeks ago.
Sandra
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In theory I would accept that the church record should be correct but I have seen mistakes on marriage records before and even baptismal records can be incorrect. Each time my children were baptised I carefully gave my full name and each time it was 'carefully' recorded with the middle name wrong.
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sangal
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Could Patrick Gallagher be illegitimate? 
I went to the GRO research Library and got certs for all the Patrick Gallagher born between 1965 and 1971 and none had fathers Patrick or mothers Margaret.
I have just been to the national library in Kildare street .I went through the Rathfarnham parish records and these are my findings.
1) in 1831 Peter Gallagher Married Anne Murray
2)They had the following children Hugh Gallagher July 1832
John Gallagher may 1834
Bernard Gallagher 1840
Margaret Gallagher 1846
3)in 1864 Hugh Gallagher of Ballymanagh son of Peter and Anne Gallagher married Maria Hayden
4)in 1871 John Gallagher of Ballymanagh son of Peter and Anne Gallagher marries Catherine Kelly.
5)in 1868 a Patrick Brannan or Brennan is born to Margaret Gallagher of Ballymanagh no father listed.
In the Bohernabreena parish records Peter Gallagher is born 1872 to Peter Gallagher and Catherine Gallagher (kelly).Am I barking up the wrong tree ? Help
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Oaks and Acorns
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Unfortunately, none of the records you have found so far seem to match with Patrick Gallagher b. abt. 1868.
Only other thing I can think of at the moment is that Patrick may not have been named on his birth cert.
There is a Male Gallagher might be worth checking:
Name: Male Gallagher
Registration district: Dublin South
Record type: BIRTHS
Registration date - quarter and year: 1868
Volume: 12
Page: 678
Good luck,
Dara.
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