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Yorkslass
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Posts: 384
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Hello all,
My 21 year old grandfather's occupation is shown on the 1911 census as "Soldiering", and in the next column is written "RAMC 2 Comp Aldershot"
I knew grandad served in WW1, but had no idea he was a soldier before that.
Can anyone tell from these brief details whether he would be a regular or territorial?
Many thanks,
Yorkslass
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Norris, London 1800's
Bird, Gt Yarmouth 1800's
Smowton, Yarmouth/Norwich 1770
Dublack, Yarmouth
Binks, Essex
Wilcock, Lancashire
Kettlewell, Yorkshire
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Yorkslass
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Posts: 384
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Hello again,
this is he, just before he was sent to France, so I have been told. (17.10.1914 on his medal card). Any more clues?
It's an "odd" photo - looks like it's been painted over. (oooh sorry, didn't think it would come out so big.....!)
thanks,
Yorkslass
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Norris, London 1800's
Bird, Gt Yarmouth 1800's
Smowton, Yarmouth/Norwich 1770
Dublack, Yarmouth
Binks, Essex
Wilcock, Lancashire
Kettlewell, Yorkshire
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km1971
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Was he at home in 1911? If he was with other soldiers you need to post his name and the RG /folio/page reference. We can then check out any officers listed nearby.
I cannot find my Army List for 1914 to check No 2 company RAMC, but my guess is that he was a Regular. If he was a territorial he would more likely have recorded his day job on the census. As a Regular he would have enlisted for 12 years, so his papers will either be in the 'WW1' records on Ancestry (depending upon hs surname), or if he served after 1920, they will still be with the MOD.
Ken
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Yorkslass
RootsChat Senior
Posts: 384
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Hello Ken,
Many thanks for reading my post and for your reply.
The census for his home address was completed by his elder brother - and now I'm wondering whether Alfred was actually at home, or in barracks.
I did another 1911 search, and I'm pretty sure I've found my grandfather listed again....
at Marlborough Lines, Aldershot. This means absolutely nothing to me, I'm afraid, but it's obviously a barracks, because there are other soldiers on the list, but the highest rank on that page is Corporal.
Alfred John Norris, Private, RAMC, born Gillingham, Kent.
The reference is RG14 PN6263 R0109 SD2 ED13 SN9999.
I suppose it's quite possible for people to be listed twice, isn't it?
Yorkslass
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Norris, London 1800's
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Yorkslass
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Posts: 384
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Hello Ken,
Thank you once again for helping me out with this.
I think perhaps the "wrong" entry in 1911 may well have been my grandad's brother, who was obviously not the brightest spark! He couldn't spell very well, got some ages wrong, hasn't followed the instructions on the census form, and has given far more information than required, but I'm not complaining at all.....
I spent many hours at Kew when the "Burnt records" first became available, and found him on the medal rolls and the medal index cards, and I've spent even more hours looking online, but I've never found grandad's records.
It would be wonderful if I could find a little more about him, and his army service - where he served and what he did. My grandma told me he spent a lot of time in India during the war, though like many, he would never speak about it.
He died forty years ago, when I was 12, but I remember him with fondness, and the older I get, and the more I learn about the First World War, the greater is my admiration for these men.
I do appreciate your help,
Thanks again,
Yorkslass
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Norris, London 1800's
Bird, Gt Yarmouth 1800's
Smowton, Yarmouth/Norwich 1770
Dublack, Yarmouth
Binks, Essex
Wilcock, Lancashire
Kettlewell, Yorkshire
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