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Re: Cummertrees MIs
« Reply #15 on: Saturday 24 October 09 14:17 UTC (UK) »
i  have the little book from dfs fam hist  in 1841 evan is not with jane he has a child with christina henderson  who is with her own family at trailtrow muir and the baby is with the edgars at kelhead he is not with jane until 1842? the irvings are just doors away from the edgars  dont know who agnes is will try to find  evan is listed as ebenezer a lot of names are wrong would depend on how well people could read or write i have a lot of cummertrees stuff  that i have kept while searching for my bells  csc
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Re: Cummertrees MIs
« Reply #16 on: Saturday 24 October 09 14:30 UTC (UK) »
agnes lowrie female servant 26      this is an estate house where people employed on the estate  would live dont think she  is connected to evan  will see if i can find edward from troqueer csc
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« Reply #17 on: Saturday 24 October 09 14:38 UTC (UK) »
edward from troqueer   father john blacksmith born 1819 torthorwald mother lean or jean born troqueer robina  william  james  edward  jane baby john   1851 census    csc
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Re: Cummertrees MIs
« Reply #18 on: Saturday 24 October 09 14:39 UTC (UK) »
yes - thats the one I saw -  its the only edward I can find
but Troqueer is where 3 of Alexanders children were born
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« Reply #19 on: Saturday 24 October 09 15:18 UTC (UK) »
i wonder if alex and john are related i should be able to find john csc
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« Reply #20 on: Sunday 25 October 09 08:56 UTC (UK) »
looking at mary hairs age on the grave she could be mary hair daughtr of james hair /margaret orr 1785 troqueer   there is another mary also in troqueer 1789 ninian hair/henrietta douglas  csc
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Re: Cummertrees MIs
« Reply #21 on: Sunday 25 October 09 09:29 UTC (UK) »
hmm - there's 'Jane Douglas' on the MI, a neice of Evan
and if Mary Hair is from Troqueer maybe Alexander and Mary married in Troqueer
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« Reply #22 on: Sunday 25 October 09 09:31 UTC (UK) »
a question - I aren't too familiar with scottish MI's - does the long family history on the stone imply they are all interred in this plot, or just commemorated, in which case the individuals named have their own plots and stones elsewhere?

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« Reply #23 on: Sunday 25 October 09 09:43 UTC (UK) »
i think they are all in the same plot  i wondered about this myself as i have at least 6 people in the francis kerr grave in mouswald including my great granny who was alive when i was little the rules we have now about 3 in a grave did not apply then  i have not been to cummertrees graveyard for a few months but a lot of the graves have lots of people   i also have a lot of papers on the edgars where little john was  will see what i can find about the hairs in troqueer  this is where i live csc
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Re: Cummertrees MIs
« Reply #24 on: Sunday 25 October 09 11:35 UTC (UK) »
i think young jane is the daughter of david douglas/mary tweedie born dalton 15/01/1832  csc
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Re: Cummertrees MIs
« Reply #25 on: Sunday 25 October 09 14:17 UTC (UK) »
ta - I appreciate your efforts

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Re: Cummertrees MIs
« Reply #26 on: Monday 26 October 09 08:56 UTC (UK) »
Ok - after the change from Summer Time to GMT. clocks went back, so I was up early. Spent some money at ScoPeop.
Got DCerts for all named.
No surprises, the missing name is 'Caroline' Irving.
Jane is wife of Evan not Edward. MI is incorrect.
Both Jane and Caroline died from 'paralysis' - polio??
David died  'Diseases of the spine' - polio??
If you are interested I have followed many of these families up to 1901 census, and all date is on my public tree on Ancestry.

I can not find MC for Jane Howells and John Barker Tweedie between 1851 and 1861, (OPRs or BMD) - but there is a marriage of a John Tweedie and a Jane Telfer, Lochmaben, in 1861. Nor Have I found her on the 1851 census. Given her age this could be a second marriage. Her death is due to 'Mortification' - whatever that means.

so - where does that leave us:
Need to find Jane in 1851 and her marriage to John BArker
Jane and John died Muirkirk, they are not on the Cummertrees MI - is there an MI at Muirkirk?
Are Alexander (troqueer 1841) and John BArker related?
There are other Tweedies in Cummertrees through the censuses - are they related


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Re: Cummertrees MIs
« Reply #27 on: Monday 26 October 09 09:15 UTC (UK) »
on 1851 there is Jane Hamilton, Servant (at the residence of the Marquis of Queensbury no less) in Cummertrees born 1823, this corresponds withe the age of Jane wife of John Barker on the 1861 census
but name is Hamilton not Howells 

 

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« Reply #28 on: Monday 26 October 09 17:03 UTC (UK) »
little james was also disabled maybe polio was rife then that family seems to have lost a few fairly young people in a short time will see if i can find john csc
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Re: Cummertrees MIs
« Reply #29 on: Monday 26 October 09 18:19 UTC (UK) »
have you got janes death cert it should tell you if she had a previous husband she is possibly still in england 51 do you know what area she came from  csc
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