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Topic: Marriage Record for Bermondsey (Read 140 times)
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jemwinder
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Hi I have a birth certificate of Frederick Winder in 1845 and it states the father as Robert Winder and Mother Elizabeth Nichols
In the 1851, 71, 81 census it shows her as being born Bermondsey
1819
Ive looked on theIGI family search and found
ELIZABETH HILL NICHOLS Pedigree Birth: 14 AUG 1819
Christening: 29 AUG 1819 Saint John Horseleydowns, Bermondsey, London,
Parents:
Father: WILLIAM NICHOLS Family
Mother: ANN
Source Information: P015521 1803 - 1853
I think this may be my connection but need to find her marriage to my Robert Winder and if it shows her father as William then i would be pretty happy to prove the link
I cant find any marriage of Elizabeth Nichols does any one have any ideas or abilty to look at other parish records in the area?
regards
Jeremy
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lizdb
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1851
HO107 1515 382 32
St Sepulchre
Robert WInder 37 something butcher bn Kent Chatham
Elizabeth 32 bn Bermonsey
Robert 13 bn Southwark
Edwin 9 bn St Sepulchre
Frederick 6 bn St Sep.
Elizabeth 4 bn St. Sep
this suggests they may have started married life in Southwark.
The christening you have found certainly looks like her.
But unless the marriage is after 1837 (and age of Robert jnr makes this less likely) there will not be a marriage cert - just Parish register which wont give fathers' names.
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Valda
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Hi
Saint Saviour Southwark 10th June 1838 born 13th February
Robert Winder parents Robert and Elizabeth, 13 New Park Street, father's occupation butcher
St Mary Magdalen, Bermondsey 4th September 1839
Mary Ann Winder parents Robert and Elizth Dorcas, Jamaica Level, father's occupation butcher
The addition of Dorcas may be just an error in the baptism register
St John Horselydown 29th August 1819 born 14th August
Elizabeth Hill Nichols parents William and Ann, Marine Crescent, father's occupation carpenter
Regards
Valda
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jemwinder
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Dear Valda,
OMG thank you so very much,
So the info you have on Robert Winder in my Tree only thats a perfect match
I dont however have a Mary ann Winder (so may be she dies before 1841 census?)
Elizabeth Hill Nichols :- I did not see the father occupation on IGI, how did you find this out about her father being a carpenter? and there address
On my tree software it asks for a source for the info, what info shall i enter?
So if Robert was bap in Saint Saviour do they have marriage records there of Robert and Elizabeth getting married?
Thanks very much for the help with this, Ive been stuck on this part for about 7 years
So at least now i can start moving back on the Nichols side!! ;-)
Best Regards
Jeremy
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Valda
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Hi
I looked at the pages of the baptism registers for St John Horsleydown, St Saviour Southwark and St Mary Magdalen Bermondsey.
If I had found any information for a marriage of a Robert Winder to a Elizabeth Nichols I would have given it.
The baptism of Mary Ann which gives her mother's names as Elizabeth Dorcas, if correct, would call into question the baptism of Elizabeth Hills Nichols as the correct person.
Regards
Valda
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jemwinder
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Hi Valda,
I have just had another look at the 1841 census and found Robert Winder (born about 1813) age 30 on the census but the did used to round the ages to the nearest 5.
Living in Red Lion alley but alone!!! no children or wife,
in 1851 he is listed in 9 red lion Alley but with Elizabeth Winder and there son Robert born 1838 Bermondsey.
So There may well have been a mary upto 1851 so i am looking to find Elizabeth and the children and wonder why they were not living with Robert in Red Lion alley, cant see why i missed that before!!
There is a death of a Mary Winder in 1845 Lambeth!!
jeremy
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Valda
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Hi
Missing one night - census night, doesn't indicate people were not living together, they just were not together on that one night - irritating but not necessarily in anyway significant.
The Mary Winder who died in Lambeth in 1845 was 85. By 1851 Mary Ann if she survived childhood would be old enough to be working away from home.
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Valda
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