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aljepeka
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Re: Reasons for not finding birth record?
« Reply #15 on: Saturday 31 October 09 18:09 UTC (UK) »
Re. same name for bride[s].  It  does happen.   My GGGrandmother Catherine Fitzsimmons also married twice  both times to a man called David Gibson. Apparently the  grooms were not related to each other.   So far I have not investigated as to whether or not they were related but I do have both marriage records.

And as parents tended to call  children after themselves and Grandparents etc... and cousins had the same names etc maybe it is not so unusual for this to happen...if you follow what I mean.   Huh

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Re: Reasons for not finding birth record?
« Reply #16 on: Saturday 31 October 09 18:12 UTC (UK) »
Got to thinking about the inscription and wonder if you have any idea what their reference to 'Woodview' was?  I started to think maybe I was wrong about there being 2 Jane Fullerton's but all of my source material points to it being right...I don't think it is a maiden name but I could be wrong.  Any ideas?

Here's the inscription again to make it easier:

Headstone Inscription at Presbyterian Church, Richhill, Co. Armagh, Northern Ireland
Last visited July 2008 

1944
IN
LOVING MEMORY OF
JANE ALBIN, WOODVIEW
WHO DIED 18TH JANUARY 1944
ALSO HER HUSBAND ROBERT
WHO DIED 17TH JANUARY 1962
AND OF HIS FIRST WIFE JANE
WHO DIED 18TH JULY 1915
ALSO THEIR SON LEONARD
WHO DIED 29TH NOVEMBER 1976


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Re: Reasons for not finding birth record?
« Reply #17 on: Saturday 31 October 09 18:23 UTC (UK) »
Quote from: amers411 on Saturday 31 October 09 18:12 UTC (UK)
Got to thinking about the inscription and wonder if you have any idea what their reference to 'Woodview' was?
IN LOVING MEMORY OF JANE ALBIN, WOODVIEW
Woodview was perhaps the name of their house.

Quote from: aljepeka on Saturday 31 October 09 18:09 UTC (UK)
Re. same name for bride[s].  It  does happen.
I know of a case where a woman married 2 cousins with the same name (and boy did this confuse us for a long time until the marriage certificates proved who her 2 husbands' fathers were!
However, would have liked to find Robert Albin's 1st (1904) marriage in civil index but perhaps marriage didn't take place in Ireland.
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aljepeka
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Re: Reasons for not finding birth record?
« Reply #18 on: Saturday 31 October 09 20:15 UTC (UK) »
Hi again  Smiley,

According to emerald ancestors both marriages took place locally.
The 1st  at Richhill Prebyterian and the 2nd at Ahorey Presbyterian.

To my knowledge Woodview is an area near Richhill. I have not checked as to whether it is a townland or not but will do. It is close to 'Hockley'.  There is a garden centre and cafe  there called Woodview.  I will  check this out and be on later tonight once kids etc are in bed  Grin.

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Re: Reasons for not finding birth record?
« Reply #19 on: Sunday 01 November 09 02:12 UTC (UK) »
Okay, so Woodview is probably a small town like Richhill or a townland then?

Glad to see that I'm not the only one with marriages to women of the same name.  I have both of the marriage records through the Irish Family History Foundation and indeed they were two different people with the same name.  Church was different as Aljepeka said, as well as the father's names.

It is interesting why certain things show up in one place and not in another, I've noticed that as well.  I have no idea why Robert's first marriage didn't show up on the index search when it shows up elsewhere.  Strange.
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aljepeka
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Re: Reasons for not finding birth record?
« Reply #20 on: Monday 02 November 09 23:48 UTC (UK) »
Hi again,

I was talking to my father-in-law this evening , he used to live in Richhill. Unfortunately he could not clarify the area known as Woodview for me. He did however think it was in the  same general area as myself. Googling Woodview was not a great help. However, I did find a family tree by a family called Creaney and they had in it..   'Woodview, Hockley'. - This to me is another bit of evidence to support where I think it is. 
I also found a modern day address which included Woodview on the Drummanmore Road.  If you google a map of Richhill and just of the Portadown Road there are two roads named Drumilly Road and as above Drummanmore Road.  This is were I think the area known as Woodview is/was.   
Perhaps if we can locate an old map of the area it will state 'woodview' on it . 
It is not a village , town or townland just what the locality was known as.  There was probably a wooded area there perhaps on the Castledillon Estate hence how it got it's name.

Sorry to ramble , if I find out anything else I will be in touch.
I will pm you when  I can.


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Re: Reasons for not finding birth record?
« Reply #21 on: Tuesday 03 November 09 08:06 UTC (UK) »
I guess it was my family tree that Aljepeka came across. I can’t add much, however, there was a Post Office called Woodview on the site of the present day Hutchinson’s garden centre, it would have been there until the 1950s. I have had certificates  showing Woodview, Hockley as the place of residence  and I know my family were living in that precise area.

I have done quite a bit of research in the immediate area and have come across the Albin name a lot, in the books of a number of Churches in the area particularly Kilmore & Kildarton and headstones in various local graveyards.

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