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CHERAN
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Jamesion Tarton
« on: Saturday 24 October 09 05:19 UTC (UK) »
I am trying to confirm the tarton for "Jamesion" family.  The origins that I know of are from "Forashire".

It  was believed that the Jamesion tarton was connected to the "Gunn" tarton but am seeking to find if there is possibly another tarton it could be depending on where the Jamesion clan came from.

I would greatly appreciate any help.


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Re: Jamesion Tarton
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 24 October 09 05:22 UTC (UK) »
You might find this article interesting:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tartan
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Re: Jamesion Tarton
« Reply #2 on: Monday 26 October 09 21:31 UTC (UK) »
Quote from: CHERAN on Saturday 24 October 09 05:19 UTC (UK)
I am trying to confirm the tarton for "Jamesion" family. 

Well.

There are loads of myths and fairy stories and just plain rubbish talked about tartan.

Tartan was historically worn by the Highland clans. Most Scots lived in the Lowlands and in the late Middle Ages and early modern times would have regarded tartan-clad highlanders as barely human at worst and dangerous savages at best. They would have been shocked to their decent hardworking Lowland cores at the very idea of wearing Highland garb.

So there are probably more Scots families who would not originally have had any tartan at all than families who did have a named tartan.

Another myth is that the designs are ancient. Not so. There is really only one tartan design which has survived in the form of a piece of cloth from before the prohibition of tartan in 1746-1792, and that is the one called 'Culloden' which was actually found buried in the bog at Culloden Moor. Its peculiar colours are the result of the weathering of the original scrap of material by the acid peat bog. There are illustrations of Highland chiefs wearing tartan, but most contemporary tartan paterns (called setts) date from after the 1770s.

Many of the supposed affiliations are also relatively recent inventions. For example, the given name Simon was closely associated with the Frasers of Lovat. The surname 'Simpson' is derived from 'son of Simon', and certainly there would have been many Frasers who were 'sons of Simon'. However this does not mean that every Simpson all over the world has an ancestral connection with Clan Fraser. Simon is a biblical name and sons of Simon occur all over the Judaeo-Christian world, not just in Scotland. The same applies to the surname Adamson and variants, which tend to be ascribed to Clan Gordon because the given name Adam was commonly associated with the Gordons.

Jamieson means simply 'Son of James' and James is one of the four commonest male given names in Scotland (with Alexander, John and William). If you look on the web site of the Scottish Tartans Authority http://www.tartansauthority.com/web/site/home/home.asp you will see that the surname Jamieson is associated with Clan Gunn. (Clan Gunn's territory is in north-west Sutherland, just about as far as you can get from Angus and still be on the Scottish mainland.) It does not follow that evryone bearing the surname Jamieson has a blood connection to Clan Gunn. The same site will also tell you that Jamieson is associated with Clan Stewart. Same again.

The more venerable and now defunct Scottish Tartans Society's register doesn't list a Jamieson tartan at all, or any clan affiliation for Jamieson. See http://www.scottish-tartans-world-register.com/tartan_a-z.aspx?tartan=j

Other sites may give you different results.

So the answer depends on why you are asking the question. If the question is, 'Which tartan would my Jamieson ancestors who lived in Angus way back have worn?' the answer is most probably that they would not have worn tartan at all. If the question is, 'I would like to wear tartan and my ancestors were Jamiesons from Angus. Which should I choose?' then you can either go along with the rather dubious attribution to Clan Gunn or Clan Stewart and choose one of their tartans, or you can just pick any sett you like and get on with it.

There are no laws saying that you must or can't wear any particular design you fancy, and most modern Scots will neither recognise which clan it is supposed to belong to, nor care about it.

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Re: Jamesion Tarton
« Reply #3 on: Monday 26 October 09 21:56 UTC (UK) »
thanks for taking the time to reply.  I found it very interesting.

I had been doing a little more reading and you post confirmed for me that there are lots of Myths re the Tartons.  I found that two clans linked to the Jamesian name and really didn't have any idea why but lots of reading on it seems like you can go which ever you like.

This research was for a friend who somehow thought I could be and expert, when I knew that I had very little knowledge so it will be great to forward all the reading material to him so he can make up his own mind.

Again, thanks for taking so much time to help.

I am now curious and will be following up my own family which is MacInnes from  North Uist so see what clan connection they have.  It is good fun even though it perhaps seems like the Myths are more real than the reality.



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