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Topic: Mary Ronan (c1855) and her father Patrick, Wexford (Read 200 times)
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KitCarson
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My GGM, Mary Ronan married James Carson on 1/11/1886 at Our Lady of Reconciliation, Eldan Street Liverpool. James is from Belfast. Mary is shown as a widow and was previously married to John Bowland at St Albans RC Church, Liverpool on 2/12/1882. John died just one year later in 1883. Her father is recorded as Patrick, a Labourer and the 1886 certificate doesn't say that he is deceased.
In the 1911 E&W census Mary has stated that she is from 'Wexford'. I can't find her in the 1881 census and wonder when she could have travelled over. Does anyone have any ideas on how I can trace further back? It's quite frustrating as most of my ancesters arrived in Lancashire from Ireland, either Belfast, Mullingar or Wexford and I am struggling to work out how to get them further back. Are there any passenger lists that might help?
Any help greatly appreciated.
Kit
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Rimmer: St Helens, Lancs
Carson: St Helens, Lancs/Belfast
Kelly: St Helens, Lancs/Mullingar, West Meath
Ronan: St Helens, Lancs/Wexford
Stott: Huyton Quarry, Lancs
Cunningham: St Helens, Liverpool/New Monkland, Glasgow/Ireland
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aghadowey
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Ireland was part of the U.K. so lists weren't kept of people travelling between Ireland and England, Scotland and Wales.
Civil registration for births, deaths and Catholic marriages in Ireland started in 1864 (from 1845 for other marriages)- for earlier dates you'll need to search church records (if they exist).
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KitCarson
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Aghadowey, many thanks for that info. I haven't managed to do any real research in Ireland yet. What records survive that might be useful to me, either online or by visiting the various records offices? Are there complete census and civil registration records available?
Really, really hope someone can help.
Kit (Edinburgh)
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Rimmer: St Helens, Lancs
Carson: St Helens, Lancs/Belfast
Kelly: St Helens, Lancs/Mullingar, West Meath
Ronan: St Helens, Lancs/Wexford
Stott: Huyton Quarry, Lancs
Cunningham: St Helens, Liverpool/New Monkland, Glasgow/Ireland
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KitCarson
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Thanks,
I did try the LDS but can't find Mary and there are a few Patricks which I'll need to explore. I'll need to check the resources page and see what comes up.
If there is anyone out there who have a possible connection with Ronans, I'd love to hear from you.
Kit
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Rimmer: St Helens, Lancs
Carson: St Helens, Lancs/Belfast
Kelly: St Helens, Lancs/Mullingar, West Meath
Ronan: St Helens, Lancs/Wexford
Stott: Huyton Quarry, Lancs
Cunningham: St Helens, Liverpool/New Monkland, Glasgow/Ireland
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aghadowey
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If Mary was married first in 1882 it's quite possible that she was born before the start of civil registration in 1864.
Searching for Mary's father Patrick might be difficult without more information (not being listed as deceased on her marriage certificate doesn't prove he was still alive).
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KitCarson
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Thanks for your advice. From marriage certs and census she would appear to have been born around 1855. Without anything else to go on I'll just have to work my way through all the Catholic churches in the Wexford area. Wow, just think of all the wonderful holidays I could have in beautiful Wexford. Could take me a lifetime (or my kids) but still worth the effort. Kit
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Rimmer: St Helens, Lancs
Carson: St Helens, Lancs/Belfast
Kelly: St Helens, Lancs/Mullingar, West Meath
Ronan: St Helens, Lancs/Wexford
Stott: Huyton Quarry, Lancs
Cunningham: St Helens, Liverpool/New Monkland, Glasgow/Ireland
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aghadowey
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The problem with the 'all Catholic churches' in Wexford approach is that the records for the church her family belonged to there might not survive.
There's this link on Wexford Parish churches from Resources which gives you an idea of the number of churches in just that area-
http://wexfordparish.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=37&Itemid=49
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KitCarson
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Aye, 'problem' it is. I've already been onto the site you gave the link to and noted the information there but realistically, what can I do with only 'Wexford' as a lead? This forum and other similar sites are a great resource and until more information becomes available, I'll have to consider getting out there and visiting. Kit
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Rimmer: St Helens, Lancs
Carson: St Helens, Lancs/Belfast
Kelly: St Helens, Lancs/Mullingar, West Meath
Ronan: St Helens, Lancs/Wexford
Stott: Huyton Quarry, Lancs
Cunningham: St Helens, Liverpool/New Monkland, Glasgow/Ireland
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aghadowey
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Irish researchis very, very difficult without an exact location (parish if not actual townland).
Have you traced Mary forward in English census records in case there's something other than 'Ireland' or 'Wexford' listed- 1911 English census seems to quite good at giving more detail.
See that Mary would have been in her 30s when she married- have you searched earlier U.K. census records in case other relatives also moved to England with her?
I haven't searched English Catholic church registers but some people have mentioned there can be useful details in the records so that might be another source to explore.
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shanew147
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there are six Patrick Ronan's listed on Griffiths valuation ... maybe the locations for these would be starting points for your search.
see : http://www.rootschat.com/links/07ci/
the Co. Wexford records are dated 1853 - so Mary's father could be one of those listed. Do you know what Patrick's occupation was ?
the website to search Griffiths (free) is at : http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/
p.s. I would second what aghadowey mentioned re checking the 1911 census - sometimes there is very detailed birth locations given on this.
Shane
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KitCarson
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Thanks Shane, I'll check these out. Patrick was a labourer. Not much to go on there then! Nothing but labourers or chemical labourers in my line. Not even anything as exotic as a teacher or clerk. Ta, Kit
Afterthought - not quite true, Mary's son James Joseph (Joe, my GF) who died before I was born, was awarded the DCM and MM in 1917 and was a trainer for the great St Helens rugby league football club.
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Rimmer: St Helens, Lancs
Carson: St Helens, Lancs/Belfast
Kelly: St Helens, Lancs/Mullingar, West Meath
Ronan: St Helens, Lancs/Wexford
Stott: Huyton Quarry, Lancs
Cunningham: St Helens, Liverpool/New Monkland, Glasgow/Ireland
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