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wonkiewidge
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Hi,
I need some help.
Does anyone know which parish "St. George surry" (sic) would be?
I'm looking for the birth of 2 Henry Cranes both of the above area according to the 1851 census. First one born in 1806 ish and the 2nd, his son, around 1832.
Any ideas? So I know where to start looking.
Thanks,
Linda
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London & Middlesex Clement, England, Record, Pittman, Reeve, Crane, Mulvey, Jones, Elliott, Nailor, Shropshire/ Herefordshire Humphries/reys, Howells, Hodnet, Medlicott, Prince, Coulton/Colton/Brecknock, Kent Gullock Suffolk Battram, Langley, Becraft/Becroft Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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wonkiewidge
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Hi Jane,
I did check the IGI, but I didn't find them.
On the 51 census they are from St george.
On the 61 they are from Middx ........ and
On the 71 census the older Henry says he is from Marylebone, which is where they had been living for at least 20 years.
I decided to go with the oldest census (when they were younger) as I thought this likely to be the most accurate.
St George the Martyr isn't on the IGI for births, but it is on Ancestry. Their births are not coming up on the searches though. I might have a look for them manually. I hope it's not a big parish!!!
Thanks for your help.
Linda
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London & Middlesex Clement, England, Record, Pittman, Reeve, Crane, Mulvey, Jones, Elliott, Nailor, Shropshire/ Herefordshire Humphries/reys, Howells, Hodnet, Medlicott, Prince, Coulton/Colton/Brecknock, Kent Gullock Suffolk Battram, Langley, Becraft/Becroft Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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lesleyhannah
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There's a St George's Hill in Hersham (Walton on Thames).
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wonkiewidge
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OK thanks.
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London & Middlesex Clement, England, Record, Pittman, Reeve, Crane, Mulvey, Jones, Elliott, Nailor, Shropshire/ Herefordshire Humphries/reys, Howells, Hodnet, Medlicott, Prince, Coulton/Colton/Brecknock, Kent Gullock Suffolk Battram, Langley, Becraft/Becroft Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Valda
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Hi
As they are in Marylebone in 1851 and wife Hester's birthplace is Lambeth it makes St George the Martyr Southwark as the strongest contender. Henry junior's age of 19 and the gap to the next child's age of 6 plus Hester's age of 36 makes a second marriage a likely possibility with perhaps other children from the first marriage who are not present on the 1851 census because they have left home or died young. Henry's occupation on the 1851 census is a shoemaker.
St Saviour Southwark 13th July 1828 born 29th June
Ann Lucy Crane parents Henry and Ann Lucy, St Georges, father's occupation shoemaker
St Mary Lambeth 11th July 1827
Henry John Crane parents Henry and Ann Lucy, Long Lane St George's Southwark, father's occupation shoemaker
St Saviour Southwark 2nd September 1827
Henry John Crane 7 weeks Lomans Pond
Saint John The Evangelist Waterloo 20th December 1852
Robert Swift of full age bachelor Cabinet maker, New Cut, William Swife Carpenter
Ann Lucy Crane of full age spinster, New Cut, Henry Crane Shoemaker
by banns, Ann Lucy made her mark
Witnesses G Cleaver, John Perry Woodfint? Payne
St James, Paddington 8th February 1841
Henry Crane full age Widower Shoemaker, St Alban's Place, John Crane Shoemaker
Hester Hall Spinster Edgware Road, James Hall Shoemaker
both signed, marriage by banns
Witnesses Robert Hall and Sarah Louise Hall
See the topic guide at the top of the board
A GUIDE TO ENGLISH CENSUSES
which gives details of the missing parts to early censuses including Paddington on the 1841 census.
St Mary Newington 25th December 1825
Henry Crane Ann Lucy Wood bachelor and spinter of the parish. Marriage by banns.
Both signed
Witnesses James Wood and Elizabeth Ann Short
Regards
Valda
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wonkiewidge
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Oh Valda, Valda, Valda, 
What a can of worms you've opened!
These are the correct people, and on investigating it further there seems to have been a little bit of Hanky panky going on.
Henry Crane senior died on 23rd February 1865 in Marylebone of Chronic Paralysis.
Henry's 3rd wife Ann Workman (at least 16 years his junior) married Henry's son (by his first marriage to Ann Lucy Wood) another Henry, on 29th May 1866.
In the meantime a daughter was born to Ann Dec 1/4 1865. (She could have been born between August + December 1865)
9 months before August = November 1864,
9 months before December = March 1865 Which Henry is the father???
Since Henry snr was paralysed it would seem son Henry is the father (as per 1871 census). ...... Were they carrying on before Henry snr's death or did they respectably wait until he popped his cloggs? They certainly didn't have a period of morning!!!
It didn't last long though, as Henry junior was dead by the 1881 census. I haven't been able to find his death, but Ann is on her own as a widow in Paddington with Samuel their son.
Many thanks for your help,
Linda 
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London & Middlesex Clement, England, Record, Pittman, Reeve, Crane, Mulvey, Jones, Elliott, Nailor, Shropshire/ Herefordshire Humphries/reys, Howells, Hodnet, Medlicott, Prince, Coulton/Colton/Brecknock, Kent Gullock Suffolk Battram, Langley, Becraft/Becroft Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Valda
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It depends on the cause of the paraylsis for how long Henry was incapacitated. A stroke would cause the symptoms but be very sudden.
I believe the marriage between the son and his stepmother would have been illegal at the time, falling within the probited degrees of consanguinity.
http://www.members.shaw.ca/jobev/marriage.html
Regards
Valda
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wonkiewidge
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Hi Valda,
Seems he was a naughty boy then. 
Chronic paralysis would suggest to me that it had been going on for a while, as opposed to Acute paralysis.
Good job it wasn't acute! You could have a field day with all sorts of speculations.
Cheers for the info,
Linda
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Valda
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I think it stills depends on the cause - stroke versus syphilis for instance, different symptoms.
Did the child die and if so what of?
Is this Henry junior's death?
Deaths Jun 1874 Crane Henry 43 Kensington 1a 21
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Valda
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wonkiewidge
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Hi Valda,
Sarah the child lived until at least the age of 25. After that I cannot find her, probably married.
The reference for Henry's death could be the right one. Marylebone is only 2.6 miles away from Kensington and Kensington is only 1.2 miles away from Paddington where his widow was living.
Regards,
Linda
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