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Topic: ***Completed*** 1871 Census look-up please - BOWLER (Read 198 times)
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Ouse who
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Could someone look for George Bowler (and household), born 1860 London, baptised 1867 at Haynes, Bedfordshire?
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Ouse who
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Well now......
According to 1861 census, his parents were Edward and Rhoda Oliver, (he's named George Oliver in the entry) but Rhoda I am pretty sure was actually Rhoda Bowler, wife of John Bowler (see previous posts). 
IGI shows that George was baptised at Haynes, parents John and Rhoda Bowler. A Rhoda Bowler Oliver died in London a few months before John Bowler remarried in late 1861, though I don't think she remarried.
George appears in the 1881 census living with his sister and her husband. She appeared in the 1861 census in the same household as George - with the surname Oliver. Complicated but I think I know what was going on!
Michael.
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bedfordshire boy
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RG10/1554 folio 13A
North Wood End, Haynes
George Roberts head marr 58 Lab b Haynes
Jane Roberts wife 53 Lace maker b Biddenham Beds
William Roberts son 12 lab b Haynes
George Bowler nephew 11 lab b London
David
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Tati
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Well, there are several George Bowlers of the rightish age around but I quite like this one
1871
RG10/1554 13 17
Hawnes, Bedfordshire
North Wood End
Geo Roberts, head, 58, Labourer, b. Beds Hawnes
Jane, wife, 53, Lace Maker, b. Biddenham
William, son, 12, Labourer, b. Hawnes
George Bowler, nephew, 11, Labourer, b. London
Sorry David!!
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bedfordshire boy
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The 1871 makes sense
John Bowler married Rhoda Johnson at Biddenham 12 Oct 1843
George Roberts marr Jane Johnson at Biddenham 12 Oct 1836
What was the significance of 12 Oct to the Johnson sisters?
David
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Ouse who
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Thank you both for that. He 's the man.
That census - with the Johnson Biddenham reference - almost certainly helps to solve a mystery that has challenged me ever since my first posting on this board; what happened to Rhoda Bowler (nee Johnson) before her husband John Bowler remarried late 1861? 
Having failed to find a death entry on the PRO records, I typed the first name Rhoda (no surname) into FreeBmd, and there among the 300+ entries between 1851 (last census mention) and 1861 (when widower husband remarries) there was a Rhoda Bowler Oliver. That took me to the 1861 census entry ....
That Johnson link really is quite a poignant connection, I can only ponder on the story behind it all. 
Thank you all and thank you FreeBmd!
Michael
***I discovered some of this just before my Ancestry Library session expired , so posted 'cos I couldn't wait until Monday!***
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bedfordshire boy
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It begs the question as to who was the father of George. John Bowler or Eddy Oliver?
When did she disappear down to London with Edward, as presumably John was the father of Eliza Garratt, aged 1 in 1861 as Eliza Bowling, by his servant Mary Garratt. Gets complicated. Or did a pregnant Rhoda object to the attentions her husband was paying to the servant and left him. You'll probably never know for sure!
There's a George Edward Oliver birth in Mile End in June 1860 on FreeBMD
David
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Ouse who
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In one David 
And then Eddy marries Rhoda's daughter Ann a year later..... Hmmm
I am ordering the BMD records now!
Kind regards, Michael.
*** In later records Eliza Garratt appears as Eliza Bowler, and seems George Oliver became George Bowler***
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bedfordshire boy
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How sure are you about that 1862 marriage? I've just had a look at the marriage entry and he is shown as Edmund, widower, and he signed as Edmund, and was a master baker (in 1861 Edward was a brick labourer), father Joseph, a slate maker. Ann Elizabeth Bowler of full age also signed her name, and her father was John, a coal merchant*. They both resided at 1 James Place, Thomas St, Kennington. The witnesses were John Bowler and Mary Bowler
I can't find them in subsequent censuses (yet!)
Ann Elizabeth Bowler, daughter of John and Rhoda was only 14 in 1862! It would have been legal, as girls could marry at 12 with parents' consent. No way the vicar could have mistaken her for "of full age"!
David
* John in Bedford was a coal porter in 1861 and a labourer: timber merchant in 1871. I'm beginning to wonder now!!!
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Ouse who
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Hi David,
I need to step back and look at this again. I have yet to see the certificate you refer to, and that throws a wobbly doesn't it?
Starting with 1861 Census Tower Hamlets, I had;
Edward Oliver 34 Brick labourer b. Oxon.,
Rhoda, wife 36 b Bedfordshire,
George 1 b Mile End Old Town Middx.,
Ann dau 13 b Bedford.
Now I have taken Ann to be Rhoda's daughter, who I can't find elsewhere in the 1861 census. The rest of John Bowler's family including earlier children and housekeeper Mary Garratt are in Bedford. I am aware of an Edmund, but without seeing other records, had wondered if Edward was a transcription error.
I know from a descendant of Ann that she married for a second time; 13 Oct 1872, Annie Elizabeth Oliver 24, wdw married George Eaton 22, labourer.
In the 1881 Barrow-in-Furness Census Ann Elizabeth appears with her second husband George Eaton, (from Bedford) and a lodger George Bowler, born 1860 London.
Help!
Michael.
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bedfordshire boy
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I must confess that it all seems to add up, although given the peculiarity of the 1862 marriage I'd want to get the 1872 marriage cert to confirm everything. She seems to have been economical with the truth about her age in 1881 where she seems to have been 28, but equally, George Eaton's age looks iffy at 27! What threw me was her birthplace in 1881 as Cheltenham, but looking again I see that it was in Beds, so assume the enumerator mistook Clapham for Cheltenham.
I've never seen the marriage of a 14 year old before, at least not in post medieval times.
David
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bedfordshire boy
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Edmund Oliver appears in a number of trees on Ancestry, baptised 1825 Stonesfield, Oxon. His father Joseph also lived in Stonesfield and in 1851 was a slate maker, which fits with the 1862 marriage.
None of the trees seem to have picked him up as Edward in 1861, nor his marriage to Ann Elizabeth Bowler.
I recall asking you a couple of years about the middle name of one of John and Rhoda's children - Alban. One of Edmund Oliver's children also had a middle name - Albion. I don't usually believe in coincidences, but this looks to be the exception that proves my rule! In 1861 this same Thomas (Albion) Oliver age 16 was living with his maternal grandparents in Handborough Oxon
I can't find Ann Elizabeth Oliver in 1871 but John Bowler was living at 31 Hawes St Bedford and George Eaton at 29 Hawes St (there were two George Eatons born within a year of each other. Trees on Ancestry have mixed and matched the two of them as marrying Ann Elizabeth Bowler, so roughly half of them are right! I wonder how many have actually sighted the marriage cert to verify the father's name?)
David
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You mentioned John Bowler and son John in 1841. Haven't found them yet, but had you seen Sophia, wife of John the elder?
HO107/006/29 folio 10A
Keeley, Wootton, Beds
John Cooper 25 ag lab
Ann Cooper 30 lace maker
Thomas Cooper ?8?
James Cooper 3
Joseph Cooper 2
same house, separate household
Sofyah Bowler 40 lace maker (transcribed as Lofyah)
Ellen Clegg 8
All bar Ellen born in Beds
There was also a Mary Bowler 30 servant born in Beds in Wootton
But I can't find any trace of Sophia after 1841
David
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Ouse who
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David,
Just catching up with your helpful observations, the Alban one especially. I had seen the 1841 and 1851 Edmund Oliver censuses, which is why I had thought the 1861 census with Edward seemed the odd one out.
In regard to John Bowler snr's wife Sophia, yes I was aware, although I only recently learnt that he married her a week after her infant illeg daughter Sarah Bowler died at Wootton.
Perhaps Elizabeth Purser's illeg. son John Bowler was the only surviving child of John snr. She of course married Mr Maynard, had several children - and has descendants living in North America.
John snr is elusive. IGI only has a handful of Susans (his sister's name) one of whom, as has been observed before, was born in Elstow. A while ago I found a John Bowler, shoemaker down in Gloucester, but he didn't seem to fit the bill.
Kind regards, Michael.
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