cowslips
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can anyone verify a marriage of William Lockyer to Ann Howard 26th October 1794 at Christchurch, Hampshire and if so parentage of Ann Howard ?
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Little Nell
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I can confirm the marriage but at that date no parents' names were entered in the register since there was no 'space' or 'box' for this. Her father may have been a witness but there is no way of telling the relationships - if any - of the witnesses to the bride and groom.
Do you know her rough date of birth? And do you think she was born in Hampshire?
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cowslips
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I believe she was born in 1776 but not where and that she died on Jan 1st 1848 in Poole, Dorset. Some notes I have show the name (Myfanwy ?) after her christian name Ann so don't know the significance of that. I believe Lockyer became a sea Captain (Commodore) but have no verification of that either and that there were some old wealthy Ladies Howard in Poole that were relations.
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Little Nell
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Myfanwy is Welsh. No idea if this is a clue 
Poole of course is relatively close to Christchurch. She may have been born in Dorset. Any idea when William died? Did he leave a will? Did they have any children in Hampshire - or were they born in Dorset/. Sorry, more questions.
Without a bit more information, I'm afraid I'm not sure where to go from here.
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cowslips
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Thanks Little Nell - well,here we go !
William & Ann had 7 children - Susannah b. 13 Aug 1793 Christchurch
d. 27 July 1794
Hugh Hilyer b 13 Nov 1796 C/Church
d. unknown
Elizabeth Howard b 1798 C/Church
d 15 Aug 1854
Ann Hannah b. 20 March 1802 C/church
d. unknown
George Howard b. 9 Jan 1805 C/Church
d. 22 April 1867 Melbourne Aust.
Jane b. 15 Dec 1805 C/Church
d. unknown
Mary Rebekah b. 26 Sept 1809 Poole
d unknown
As in old notes I have William was lost at sea as a Commodore with his eldest son which would have been Hugh Hilyer but I have no date. Apparently all his personal papers went down with him which he always kept on him for safety !
George Howard and his wife Sarah (Lock) came to Australia and the story goes that the old Ladies Howard in Poole taught her to sew and told her that although she was going to a faraway country she must never do anything unworthy of a Howard. Apparently the old ladies disinherited George because he turned away from the Roman Catholic church when he married Sarah who was a Protestant. My special interest in Ann is that my old notes say she is descended from the Effingham line of the Howards ( Duke of Norfolk)
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So the Howard family was presumably Catholic. What about William?
Was William's father named John? There was another Hugh Hilyer Lockyer baptised in 1784 in Chrsitchurch with the father John. It is an unusual combination of names so I would think they must be related.
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cowslips
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Hi Nell,
I have no knowledge of William's religion but presume he may have been a catholic. I would think the Hugh Hilyer you mention is the one and the same as I believe William's birth certificate shows John Lockyer as the father but no record of the mother. I believe there is also a marriage record for a John Lockyer to Hannah Cornish 15/2/1770 - a pity they hadn't been a bit more precise with their records in those days !
Any other info. I can provide ? but I think I'm fast running out !
(where did Hugh Hilyer's baptism take place ?)
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Not all parish priests recorded the mother's name in the 18th century. There was no set format for the recording of baptisms. All they were required to do was record the name and date
Hugh Hilyer Lockyer was baptised in Christchurch 26 Sep 1784. A number of other Lockyer baptisms took place in Christchurch where the father is listed as John, but some of them are so close together date-wise that I suspect at least two families. It would be very difficult for them all to belong to the same parents. Also sometimes the name is recorded as Lookyer or Lookyear.
A number of marriages of Lockyers take place in Christchurch - several of them a John, but I don't think they are all the same person!
Many catholics were married in a Catholic service and repeated the marriage in an Anglican church in order to comply with the law. There is no indication that William and Ann married in a catholic service as well.
Do you have any wills that may assist in reconstructing the family at all? A James Lockyer, gentleman of Christchurch, left a will proved 1833 and a John Lockyer, hair dresser of Christchurch left a will proved in 1840.
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cowslips
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Nell, you are a fount of knowledge ! but I think we may have come to the end of the road here. I have no wills info.at all. I wonder where in Poole Ann was buried and if any headstone might provide any information ? I wonder what a death certificate would show? Also, would there be any naval records that might verify William being an officer in that service ? I believe that George Howard Lockyer did naval training but did not pursue that career to please his mother(presumably because William and Hugh died at sea) and instead went into the wholesale business which highly displeased the old Ladies Howard as they are reported to have said a Howard has never soiled his hands !
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I think it may be worthwhile getting Ann's death certificate and looking for a burial record in Poole. But if she was catholic, I'm not sure where she might have been buried. An enquiry on the Dorset board may assist here.
I've tried searching the London Gazette and the Times for any information about William Lockyer, but cannot find anything that may help. 
Any idea of the names of the Ladies Howard?
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cowslips
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I shall put a post on the Dorset board re Ann as you suggest.
No, I have no names for the old Ladies Howard - it is said they gave all their money to the Catholic church and went to a leper station to nurse lepers but where that would have been who knows !
I will check through all my old papers to see if I have missed any info. which might be useful.
Thanks
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cowslips
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Hi again, this time to Paco
thanks for your input, most interesting and certainly gives some further avenues to follow. The Poole location for Ann certainly fits in given that she died there also.
thanks again & regards
Cowslips
(Nell, any thoughts on where I now proceed with Paco's info. ?)
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I'd head over to the Dorset OPC site and have a thorough look around at what's available online 
http://www.opcdorset.com/
If possible, try to see the original marriage entry for William & Ann since it may provide further clues. I was only working from a transcription.
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cowslips
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Hi Paco & Nell,
I've found marriage of John Lockyer to Anne Perham 3/1/1753 which looks like it might fit in with your info. Paco. any thoughts ?
regards,
Cowslips
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